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Author Topic:   Do we affect the" physical " indepentent of the laws of physics
melatonin
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Message 31 of 148 (292481)
03-05-2006 5:24 PM
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03-05-2006 4:52 PM


Or any other feeling we experience for that matter.
Feeling of fear...
I perceive a bear running at me, a threat. A fast response has already passed to the amygdala, and via the hypothalamus, results in activity in the autonomic NS causes a release of noradrenaline/adrenaline increasing attention and preparation for flight. Furthermore, the amygdala activates the HPA axis (stress response). The feeling of fear is the conscious awareness of this adaptive emotional biological state. The glucocorticoids and NAd/Ad released by the HPA axis will ensure I remember this event in the future and maybe not go into the woods without a big gun. Hopefully, I run...
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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 32 of 148 (292540)
03-05-2006 9:31 PM
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03-05-2006 5:24 PM


Feeling of fear...
I perceive a bear running at me, a threat. A fast response has already passed to the amygdala, and via the hypothalamus, results in activity in the autonomic NS causes a release of noradrenaline/adrenaline increasing attention and preparation for flight. Furthermore, the amygdala activates the HPA axis (stress response). The feeling of fear is the conscious awareness of this adaptive emotional biological state. The glucocorticoids and NAd/Ad released by the HPA axis will ensure I remember this event in the future and maybe not go into the woods without a big gun. Hopefully, I run...
You have used the terms "conscious awareness" , "I" and fear which are not objective. You have also added hope into the mix.

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melatonin
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Message 33 of 148 (292608)
03-06-2006 6:27 AM
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03-05-2006 9:31 PM


oh noes...
conscious awareness = information that is reportable enabling voluntary response, IOW enters working memory (i.e. not subliminal/implicit/unconscious)
I = an individual
fear = biological response to primary or secondary (associated with primary through conditioning) reinforcers that are a threat to well-being
'Hopefully' was an indication that the best option is to run - however freezing and fighting are other possibilities. So, you make a decision. In that case, 'for' 'at' 'this' also weren't scientific...
Look into the psychological literature, emotion and its processes are well defined...
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FliesOnly
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Message 34 of 148 (292912)
03-07-2006 8:19 AM
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02-27-2006 6:41 AM


Not a "slower" watch
John Ferguson writes:
that the person who is running will have the slower watch
No...their watch will only be "behind" in regards to the time it reads. It will not be slower.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 35 of 148 (293072)
03-07-2006 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by nwr
03-05-2006 5:18 PM


Let us know when you are ready to demonstrate your ability to flap your arms and fly.
Any other childish responses you would like to add? You wil find nothing I ever say to that falls to the level of response such as this.

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Message 36 of 148 (293082)
03-07-2006 6:00 PM


The only forces that exist in the universe is the strong force, weak force, electromagnetic force and gravitational force. All that exist in the universe is manifested by these. Nature is mysterious enough without introducing new "forces" into the equation imo.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

  
2ice_baked_taters
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Message 37 of 148 (293107)
03-07-2006 7:21 PM
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03-06-2006 6:27 AM


blooper
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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 38 of 148 (293109)
03-07-2006 7:22 PM
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03-06-2006 6:27 AM


oh noes...
conscious awareness = information that is reportable enabling voluntary response, IOW enters working memory (i.e. not subliminal/implicit/unconscious)
I = an individual
fear = biological response to primary or secondary (associated with primary through conditioning) reinforcers that are a threat to well-being
'Hopefully' was an indication that the best option is to run - however freezing and fighting are other possibilities. So, you make a decision. In that case, 'for' 'at' 'this' also weren't scientific...
Look into the psychological literature, emotion and its processes are well defined...
Thank you. You are illustrating my point quite nicely.

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nwr
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Message 39 of 148 (293113)
03-07-2006 8:31 PM
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03-07-2006 5:06 PM


You wil find nothing I ever say to that falls to the level of response such as this.
In fact you have made the bare assertion
I am a force that does things at will and in many ways not according to any known physical laws.
but you have not provided any evidence at all to support this claim.

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melatonin
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Message 40 of 148 (293169)
03-08-2006 7:37 AM
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03-07-2006 7:22 PM


The laws of physics do not recognize the force of me. My physical body though, must obey them so I must succumb to them in that context.
I affect the world around me on a daily basis in some very unique and unpredictable ways.
I am a force that does things at will and in many ways not according to any known physical laws. In fact it can be said that the force that is “us” generates it’s own set of changing laws called beliefs. The force that is us succumbs to these laws both by coercion of other similar forces and our choice. By obeying these laws we in turn can have a profound and unpredictable effect on the physical world. In effect, our changing Laws can become a force and in turn, affect the physical world in unpredictable ways according to the laws of physics. In addition to this we as individual forces can choose to act against the very laws we generate.
Perhaps thinking of us in terms of an energy force will allow science to have a better glimpse at that which is “us”.
yeah, I illustrated your original point...

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 41 of 148 (293400)
03-08-2006 5:19 PM
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03-07-2006 8:31 PM


In fact you have made the bare assertion
I am a force that does things at will and in many ways not according to any known physical laws.
but you have not provided any evidence at all to support this claim.
That is because it was meant to attempt to introduce a different perspective. The motivation for his comment was very different. If one chooses not to explore the possibilities I have put forth that is thier right. The idea is not necessarily new. I do believe the way I aproached it is.

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nwr
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Message 42 of 148 (293415)
03-08-2006 5:53 PM
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03-08-2006 5:19 PM


That is because it was meant to attempt to introduce a different perspective.
The problem is that you are careless in your wording.
In the OP, you wrote:
The laws of physics do not recognize the force of me. My physical body though, must obey them so I must succumb to them in that context.
I don't have any problems with that, provided that I take your use of "force" to be metaphorical.
But when you say "in many ways not according to any known physical laws," you have contradicted that OP statement. For your wording here claims that there is a violation of known physical laws. That might not be what you intended, but it is what you wrote.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 43 of 148 (293506)
03-08-2006 10:05 PM
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03-08-2006 5:53 PM


But when you say "in many ways not according to any known physical laws," you have contradicted that OP statement. For your wording here claims that there is a violation of known physical laws. That might not be what you intended, but it is what you wrote.
No...my statement was clear. My suggestion is to look at us as a force that science has not addressed yet.

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nwr
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Message 44 of 148 (293509)
03-08-2006 10:26 PM
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03-08-2006 10:05 PM


My suggestion is to look at us as a force that science has not addressed yet.
Don't you see the difference between "science has not addressed this" and "this is not according to any known physical laws"?
The second says that something happens different from what science says. The first says only that science doesn't say anything.
That's why I suggested your wording was careless.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 45 of 148 (293638)
03-09-2006 11:52 AM
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03-08-2006 10:26 PM


Don't you see the difference between "science has not addressed this" and "this is not according to any known physical laws"?
The second says that something happens different from what science says. The first says only that science doesn't say anything.
That's why I suggested your wording was careless.
No, I do not have a problem with this concept. Is conveys my meaning quite clearly. I am unclear as to how you are recieving it.
They suggest that there is much we do not know and that we should have a look. This is one approach that may bare fruit.

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