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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Your kidding, no!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
In Message 59, you claimed that "there are numerous laws in the OT which clearly dispell any notion of divine personification." While one (1) is technically a number, the English word "numerous" usually implies more than one (1). Several more examples would be appropriate.
And does your one (1) example deal with "man in God's image" at all? We're not talking about graven images made by us. We're talking about how God supposedly graved us. Give us some quotes on that, please. Edited by Ringo, : Multiplied "quote". Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
No two commandments mean the same thing; nothing is superflous here. However, there are other commandments and statutes which are 'in parallel' with that, such as 'no man shall see me and live'; 'I am the Lrd - there is no other'; 'Gd is one'- OT;'Gd is not like man [Samuel]; etc.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
IamJoseph writes: However, there are other commandments and statutes which are 'in parallel' with that, such as 'no man shall see me and live'; 'I am the Lrd - there is no other'; 'Gd is one'- OT;'Gd is not like man [Samuel]; etc. Give citations please. From the little snippets you've posted, I don't see anything about man in God's image. Two say there is only one God - no mention of man at all. A third says God is not like a man - nothing about images there. Give citations and {preferably} full quotes.And try to find something about man in God's image. Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: There are numerous portions dealing with man and God's image. In Genesis ch 1 it applies to speech. Elsewhere it is contextual. The 2nd C from Sinai reflects all these too:
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
You haven't explained what any of those passages has to do with the topic. How does each one relate to God reflected in man?
Isaiah 44 talks about graven images of God. Ezekiel 28 and 1 Samuel 15 talk about man being different from God. What we're looking for here is how man is similar to God. Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Yes, these negate [impact] any premise of image of God; the 'HOW' of the thread title is thus catered to. Samuel states 'God is not like man' - meaning no image can represent God.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
IamJoseph writes: Samuel states 'God is not like man' - meaning no image can represent God. So you're saying that Samuel disagrees with Genesis, since Genesis clearly states that man is an image representing God:
quote: Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
No contradiction here. Genesis v1 refers to speech, and its context is what separates the kinds of life forms listed there. There was no 'man' prior to v1 - nor are the animals and birds and fish, NOT in Gd's image - a non-sensical view here. If the interpretation of v1 is eronous and affirmed as such by other factors, it means:
WRONG WAY - GO BACK.
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Hey there ringy
Ringo writes: It seems clear that the authors described God in the fleshy image of a man. This is what you would call an anthropomorphism (might not be spelt right)describing God in a human-like manner without actually meaning it literally. If God's image was meant to be taken as physical resemblance, then God does not look entirely like a modern homo sapiens: "Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings," Psalm 17:8 Ths psalm is a poetic prayer to god, as the first verse and those follwing in chapter 17 show. If we conclude that the image of God means a physical or visual resemblance, then we need to ask were our wings went to. Now this is thrown out the window when God th son (Jesus Christ) is considered; I doubt any on here would disagree that he has a human body. A few of us wrote some good commentary on the image of God in the first few posts of this forum. I think i wrote the 13th one. Got to go. Latertz "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Good to see you again, Ludo. Hope you're doing well.
Ludo writes: If God's image was meant to be taken as physical resemblance, then God does not look entirely like a modern homo sapiens: "Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings," Psalm 17:8 A lot of ancient gods had animal bits and pieces. That doesn't change the fact that they were (mostly) made in the image of man. Even the wings are still physical attributes.
Now this is thrown out the window when God th son (Jesus Christ) is considered; I doubt any on here would disagree that he has a human body. Some would say He "had" a physical body. And some would say that has nothing to do with God. Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Ringo writes: a lot of ancient gods had animal bits and pieces. that doesn't change the fact that they were (mostly) made i the image of man. Even the wings are still physical attributes. Good to see you to Ringo. I'm doing well. It is true that a lot of ancient deities and monsters were depicted as mostly human with some animal traits. But the point is that if you are to take the image of God as being ultra literal, you would have to include both the human and the avian traits, which therefore renders the argument that the image of God means visual or physical resemblance to him a bit in question; both birds and humans would share in different forms of his image, yet Genesis 1 states that only man was made in his image. the image of God was a term used in the ancient near east by rulers to show that they had rule over their subjects. It would be like "I King Nimrod am in the divine image of Marduk and therefore I have dominion over thee, my subjects!". Genesis one was stating something similar, for after God states that man should be made in his image, that he would have dominion over the animals of sky, land and sea (if you want a direct quote I will post it momentarily, but it is found in Genesis one).
ancient gods a little lovecraftian, eh? Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given. "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LudoRephaim writes: ... both birds and humans would share in different forms of his image, yet Genesis 1 states that only man was made in his image. No it doesn't. It only mentions man explicitly but it doesn't rule out any other animal being in God's image. It was written by men after all.
But the point is that if you are to take the image of God as being ultra literal, you would have to include both the human and the avian traits.... My point is that the traits we've been discussing are physical. An "image" implies physical traits. I'm just saying that if there is a woo-woo "spiritual" resemblance between man and God, I don't see it in Genesis 1. Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: When one deliberates and contemplates this deeply, they will arrive at the same conclusion as the OT prophets and sages did. This 'our image' refers to speech, a Godlike trait, which seperates humans from all other life forms. It does not refer to any physical traits, which is why Darwin did not differentiate speech from skeletal and biological imprints, constituting a great error, and one which led to the wrong path: atheism and Polytheism; it also contradicts the 2nd Command from Sinai. Its proof is that genesis classifies humans a different species ['kind'], and there is only one difference here. Speech. It is speech which gives humans the Gdlike trait of emulating creation, and become the most superior life form. It is also what God used to create the universe: 'AND THE LORD *SAID* LET THERE BE LIFE' [Gen]. There were no tools or elements at this time. But there was speech, which is the conduit of a WILL/ACTION/THOUGHT. Nothing happens w/o speech - no cars, planes, stars, galaxies, gravity or pineapples - nothing. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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Raphael Member (Idle past 490 days) Posts: 173 From: Southern California, United States Joined: |
Eh.....I'd like to propose that emotion is what makes us God's image, you could argue that some animals have emotion, but the emotions that make us human (I.E.) Guilt, Love, Hate, Care, etc. God does indeed have emotions, the main one being Love, the Bible says "God IS Love". The......Manifestation of the Love emotion probably feels love. The only reason we were created was to to Love god, and for God to Love us, so i think EMOTION is what makes us God's image, if you feel...otherwise....post after me.
Why Are We so Simple-Minded? I Know it's Easy to Deny the Truth.............Search Your Heart for What You Believe to be True. Then, Considering Your Morals, Decide if this, in Your Heart of Hearts, is What you Truly Believe.
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