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Message 31 of 37 (757239)
05-06-2015 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by ramoss
05-05-2015 7:04 PM


Well it is the NY Times. Of course they will try to dredge up some
boo-hoo story about big oil polluting baby's drinking water. (*sarcasm)

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Message 32 of 37 (757998)
05-18-2015 10:42 AM


Dismiss those researchers!
And in other news, a billionaire oil tycoon tried to get scientists at a university who was studying the link between fracking and quacking dismissed.
Imagine that
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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Message 33 of 37 (758094)
05-19-2015 12:12 PM
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05-18-2015 10:42 AM


Re: Dismiss those researchers!
ramoss writes:
And in other news, a billionaire oil tycoon tried to get scientists at a university who was studying the link between fracking and quacking dismissed.
Freedom of speech often betrays us all...be careful what you write!
quote:
Oil tycoon Harold Hamm told a University of Oklahoma dean last year that he wanted certain scientists there dismissed who were studying links between oil and gas activity and the state's nearly 400-fold increase in earthquakes, according to the dean's e-mail recounting the conversation.
At least our tycoon was being honest about his feelings on the matter!

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Message 34 of 37 (781009)
03-29-2016 9:12 PM


Bumpity bump
This topic theme has excessively intruded into the "Yes, The Real The New Awesome Primary Thread" topic (here, and upthread).
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Message 35 of 37 (781020)
03-30-2016 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Minnemooseus
03-29-2016 9:12 PM


Fracking
Seems to me hydraulic fracturing is mired in controversy. Some of the controversy is myth and some of it legitimate. Fracking, when done properly, has enormous benefit when it comes to being a temporary solution towards weening off of coal and oil which are much less clean than natural gas. The only real problem with fracking is because the technology has increased so that you can get at it horizontally, a lot of careless drillers who see $$$ in their eyes, have ran through aquifers that people need for potable water. Once this water is contaminated, it cannot be cleaned using conventional techniques in water treatment plants. It's pretty much useless from thereon out and water is still, and will always be, one of the most important commodities we have. And the chemicals they use to aid in fracturing the rock is highly toxic.... Things like benzene and methanol.
Fracking is a great idea when done properly, but it has to be highly regulated. Fracking is a great alternative towards shifting our dependence on oil in the short term until reliable, highly available renewable energy sources can be created. BUT the fact of the matter is that it is also very dangerous when done improperly. We also need to do a better job at demystifying it, because while there are plenty of legitimate complaints, there's also a lot of myth when it comes to it.

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Message 36 of 37 (781050)
03-30-2016 1:13 PM
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03-30-2016 1:20 AM


Re: Fracking
The only real problem with fracking is because the technology has increased so that you can get at it horizontally
There are plenty more problems with fracking even if earthquakes do not turn out to be one of the problems. Disposing of the wastewater is one problem. Despite what petrophysics says, one method of disposal is pumping into underground wells.
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In many regions of the US, including Texas, North Dakota and Montana, deep-well underground injection is a popular method for the disposal of fracking fluids and other substances from shale oil and gas extraction operations. Pennsylvania however, outlawed the use of deep-well injection some time ago.
Another problem is that fracking consumes huge amounts of freshwater that is extremely difficult to reclaim. In NC it is illegal to even reveal the chemicals that might be in fracking water used in the state. Radioactivity can be a concern if there is radioactive material in the local geology.
quote:
Once the fracking is done, much of the water comes back up the well as flowback wastewater. Along with it comes bacteria and characteristics of the geologic formation, including minerals, radioactive materials and oil and gas.
We also need to do a better job at demystifying it, because while there are plenty of legitimate complaints, there's also a lot of myth when it comes to it.
Probably correct. But those myths are held and promulgated by both advocates and objectors. It is not clear that the use of shell gas using current technology has a net positive effect on greenhouse warming. Methane is a highly potent green house gas and fracking seems to be associated with lots of leaking of methane to the atmosphere. And of course burning methane produces, produces carbon dioxide as does burning every hydrocarbon.

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Message 37 of 37 (781051)
03-30-2016 1:46 PM


petrophysics1 writes:
I'd rather be right than nice , no one here has presented anything to show I'm wrong, that includes you.
(from Message 114)
Ha ha, I think you should focus on showing that you are, indeed, right.
I certainly don't take you at your word.
This isn't saying that you're wrong, it's just saying that your claims are currently empty.
You may very well have lots of experience.
But I don't, and I certainly don't have your specific experience.
You speak as if everyone should know what you're talking about.
Why would anyone know your experiences except you?
The fact that you don't consider this implies that you overlook many other obvious things as well.

  
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