How Many Kinds of Animals on the Ark?

Generally, Noah took 2 of each kind of animal.Can we make a list of all the kinds of animals that Noah collected?For example, if Noah takes two wolves, will he need to take any dalmations, foxes, dobermans, or coyotes? Or if Noah collected two spiders, will he need to get a turantulas, tics and scorpions? Obviously a couple horses will count for all mules, donkeys, zebras, and ponies.Noah had a dove and a crow(?) that he released in search of land so he collected different species of birds. How many different kinds of birds did he have? Eagles, falcons, hawks, owls, doves, pigeons, crows, seagulls, pelicans, storks, et cetera. Did Noah have two snakes or did he have two constrictors and two venomous snakes? Or did he have vipers, cobras, rattlers, boas, anacondas, mambas, etc? Mice and rats? Possums? Raccoons?I'll start the list:
rats
horses
cows
snakes
bears
sheep
dragon/dinosaurs
tigers
lions (since there is hydridization in ligers and tions, are lions and tigers the same kind of animal? Can you see why I need your help?! Also, it should be alphabetized.)I've searched and I can't find the list anywhere. I just find references to "kinds" of animals.Can we create a list?

Sorry I was late getting your other thread promoted, but since I just did that, it would probably be best to hold off on this one for a while. As was the case for the other thread, there has already been much discussion of this topic you should consider before your OP is ready for promotion. Here are just a couple of threads on the subject, and if you put "kind" in Search you can find more. If a list could be made, it would have been made by now. Define KindWhat 'kind" are penguins?Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given.

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I do not mind waiting but I am interested in compiling a list sooner or later.I understand that there have been several discussions of "kind" and its definition on these boards. I feel that this is a seperate issue but see how the two are related. I respectfully disagree. We should not underestimate ourselves. Just because it has not been done or that it is difficult it does not mean that we should not attempt it! What if Lewis & Clark, the Wright Brothers, or NASA followed this same logic?This list does not have to be perfect or absolute, maybe we can start with a smaller list and add to it as we go along.Again, you are an admin and know these boards and these debates better than I do. Also, is the reason for waiting that I started a new thread yesterday? If this is so, I submit to you that this thread would belong in a different forum than the other. Ultimately, if you think that we should wait then we should wait. If you think that this question can be rephrased I am open to your advice.Thank you.

I don't know how much time you have to mind two threads, but a bigger reason for holding off on this thread than that you have another one going, is that I don't think you get the situation about the kinds. We can't make a list unless we can define a Kind. What would you be listing? We don't know which animals evolved from the two -- or seven -- that were taken on the ark and weren't represented there as they now exist. Many breeds of cats and dogs and everything else have "evolved" since then. Maybe the dog family was only represented by a couple of wolves from which all subsequent dogs came. The point is we don't know. So how are you going to make a list? I don't mind promoting it but it will be rehashing a lot of old stuff.{Edit: Tell you what, pick a forum and I'll just promote it and let it be hashed out like all the others.}Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given.Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given.

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I understand.I would like to create a working list with this thread. There does not need to be all that much discussion. For example, I can list all of the animals listed in the bible, alphabetically, and the the person who posts after me can repeat the list adding a couple "kinds" to it. And then the person after them can repeat this process. I do not see minding this thread as being all that time comsuming for me.I understand that "kind" should be defined first but as you know, there may never be a definition of "kind" because the term is flexible. Maybe making a list will help us flesh this out. Even if there are several disagreements (ex: between anacondas and boas) then we can end up with a range between the most modest and most liberal numbers - "Noah had between 1000 and 15,000 'kinds' of animals on the ark."Again, I accept your wisdom: If you think we should wait until the other two threads are finished then we should wait. I can wait as long as you like.Thanks again. Edited by Chief Infidel, : No reason given.

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actually. read it again. it sais he took 2 of every unclean animal and 7 of every clean animal. now that actually may be 7 pairs, but that's a lot of animals.and as to kinds... i have no idea. that's a silly idea in my opinion.

You can start with ravens and doves, for sure:

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Gen 8:7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;

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I don't think any YEC would dispute those two "kinds".It might be safe to extrapolate to other "bird kinds". But you have to understand that the whole phoney-baloney "kind" concept was made up specifically to keep most animals off the ark, because there wasn't room for all of them.

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And even then Woodmaroppe tried to fudge the figures by using the median size, rather than the mean.

Well before we get into the actual mass of these animals (Noah may have only collected babies) we should make a list.http://www.enchantedlearning.com/coloring/list.shtml
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Tree of Life Web Project
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YahooPerhaps we should just get down to the genus level and disregard all of the different species. I'm at work now and probably shouldn't get into these websites with all the pretty pictures on them. Can anyone help?Should dinosaurs be included?I know this is an exercise in animal genera taxonomy but I think it will be worthwhile once we complete it.

Don`t forget to include bacteria.Lots of bacteria.

Yes. We know today that bacteria is very diverse. Genetically, humans are actually more closely related to certain bacteria than that bacteria is related to other bacteria. But I doubt Noah has the means to tell one kind of bacteria from the other or see bacteria at all.Tomorrow I will try to tackle a mangeable group. I will make a list of all marsupials that Noah would have needed. Then maybe we can go to mammals, reptiles, birds, etc.