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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Given the struggles in dealing with this Ebola outbreak, I wonder if we've checked into the possibility that the disease might have changed. Third world health care assisted by organizations like Doctors Without Borders has successfully dealt with outbreaks in the past, but now Ebola seems to breaking through health measures in a number of different countries, including first world countries like the US and Spain.
--Percy
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I too suspect it is spread easier than what we have been led to believe, but there seems to be a bit of stupidity going on in regards to how health care workers are dealing with it.
The hospital in Dallas let patient zero go home after reporting being in west Africa and having a high fever.Huge mistake. CDC should mandate these cases be treated in a facility prepared to treat this disease. Negative pressure rooms, isolation etc.. and not trust that hospitals have the adequate training to keep this from spreading."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
Well, we've sequenced the strain (i.e. here and here).
There are slight differences in the strain but nothing that remarkable - it's about 97% identical. The transfers in the first world are probably best accounted for by sloppy practice rather than changes in the virus. Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Maybe US health care workers just need experience and practice.
I bet the last time the US had to deal with a major epidemic was long before many of these health care workers were born. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The word is that the Spanish and Americans have been sloppy - very sloppy.
Really interestingly, Nigeria has dealt brilliantly with it - not something you'd expect. But it's because Nigeria is the last place where polio exists and there's been an international effort to wipe it out there. As a result, they have the equipment, and more importantly, the procedures to deal with it and are very accustomed to the problems.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
but now Ebola seems to breaking through health measures in a number of different countries, including first world countries like the US and Spain. I haven't heard anything about the procedures used at Texas Presbyterian that inspires even the tiniest confidence. On the other hand, nobody got infected at Emory in Atlanta or during transport during the handling of two separate cases. I'm more than willing to accept the conclusion that Atlantans are more competent than Texans. For now I think it is reasonable to suspect a breach in security measures. http://www.weather.com/...urse-tests-positive-ebola-20141012
quote: Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I too suspect it is spread easier than what we have been led to believe Do you have any particular suspicion about how the virus might be transmitted? In my mind the variables would be 1) during which phases the virus could be transmitted? 2) can it be transmitted without direct contact from a sick person? There is no need to suspect anything with respect to item 1 because we know that the nurse treated a sick person. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Taz Member (Idle past 3292 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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I just find it funny that the anti-Obama crowd have managed to politicize ebola. Just a few days ago, on various forums I saw conservatives saying Obama is the worst president ever for not banning flights from Africa to enter the US. And then yesterday those same people started saying ebola is overly-hyped by Obama administration to get more money.
I bet just a few more days and Obama was the one that created ebola in the first place.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I bet just a few more days and Obama was the one that created ebola in the first place. Nah, he's not white enough.
As Louis Farrakhan points out: White people genetically engineered Ebola to be able to specifically target the black race in particular.
quote: On a lighter note, here's my take on the Ebola scare:
But Percy does raise and interesting question in the OP, and I haven't begun to investigate it yet.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
NoNukes writes: I believe infected body fluids as has been established, however it seems this virus may be very tenacious requiring only the most miniscule and brief direct contact to be successfully transmitted. Just speculation. Do you have any particular suspicion about how the virus might be transmitted? Working in a full isolation room gets tedious after awhile and people become complacent. No matter how much PPE is worn it is useless in the face of bad technique. It is a training issue in regards to Dallas I believe. Ignorance and complacency. I am sure heads are rolling as we speak. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I believe infected body fluids as has been established, however it seems this virus may be very tenacious requiring only the most miniscule and brief direct contact to be successfully transmitted. Just speculation. I'm not sure we've been told anything different than what you describe.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Jon Inactive Member
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Ebola seems to breaking through health measures in a number of different countries, including first world countries like the US and Spain. What 'health measures'? People are still moving in and out of infected countries.Love your enemies!
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
..., but now Ebola seems to breaking through health measures in a number of different countries, including first world countries like the US and Spain. I'm really not seeing that. Quite a few other people were potentially exposed, before Duncan was hospitalized. But thus far we are not hearing of any symptoms. If the virus had somehow learned to break out, I would expect some of those to be showing symptoms by now. To me, it looks more likely that one or more of the hospital staff were careless at some time.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
One ambulance attendant that transported him is in for observation but no diagnosis at this time.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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I bet just a few more days and Obama was the one that created ebola in the first place. In a few more weeks, Obama will have created Ebola to scare Americans away from Kenya where his official birth certificate is kept.
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