Noahs ark is a physical impossibility

Forget it - now I know (Ten-sai).Good bye - been down that road to idiotville before...

Imo, the dinosaurs were the "serpents" of Genesis which were zapped from walkers to belly crawlers when God cursed them as the result of the serpent deceiving Eve. Creatures lived very long before the flood and likely many of the parent serpents/dinosaurs lived up until the flood, but their offspring, when born were born as the cursed belly crawlers. You take an allegator, pump him up and furnish him with a couple of long large hind legs and you've pretty much got a large dinosaur.1. Dinosaurs and modern serperts are both reptiles.
2. ALL dinosaurs became distinct. No other species has ever became totally extinct.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-14-2003]

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No other species has ever became totally extinct.

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passenger pigeon
Carolina parakeet
dodo
sea mink
sabre-tooth cat
giant sloth
mammoth
Aldabra tortoise
half the native birds of HawaiiAnd I only give a very few because I'm lazy. Many, many more species, genera, and whole families of animals have gone extinct that are currently alive. And the clade Dinosauria isn't extinct - we just call them "birds" these days.

I'm talkin species, not breeds/members of a species. Calling something a dinosaur doesn't necessarily make it a dinosaur.

When's the last time you saw a trilobite? A placoderm? An ammonite?You have no idea what you're talking about.

These are arthropods, are they not? Many arthropods are still with us. I'm talkin vertibrate animals.

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Sorry bout that. I'm new and the only other forum I post on is NoPC and didn't realize how close you hold to subject here. Thanks for the fair warning.My point in bringing up the dinosaur theory is to give my reason why dinosaurs weren't in the ark.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-14-2003]

As for the food/crap problem, there would have been little light in the ark and it would be logical that God would have the majority of them in a state of hybernation during the trip, either in a special miraculous fashion or naturally. Either works fine with a god and what limited amount that did need taken care of would give the folks some exercise and something to do besides play checkers or whatever.

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Well John, your response isn't all that challenging, but for what it's worth, if there's a god, there's the supernatural. Do you claim to understand all that exists in the universe? When I was born in 1935, color digital data flying through thin air would've been considered supernatural as well as space ships flying through space, and to the moon. Levitation and the supernatural exists documentably in paganism, the accult and spiritism. Why must documentable Biblical stuff always be the exception with you folks? Could the answer to that lie in the Biblical contention that the evil and the false exists, via the devil and his army to fight against God, good and truth to explain why things go as they do on earth?

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Well John, your response isn't all that challenging

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So your answer is magic? ... that isn't much of a challenge.

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if there's a god, there's the supernatural.

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Fine. If there is no god, there is no supernatural. Add the two ifs and they poof each other out of existence. If/then statements are only meaningful IF you can support that first clause.

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Do you claim to understand all that exists in the universe?

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Nope. So must I believe EVERYTHING on the grounds that it MIGHT be true, or believe what I can reasonably infer to be true?

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When I was born in 1935, color digital data flying through thin air would've been considered supernatural as well as space ships flying through space, and to the moon.

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So because we can now send ships into space we should believe that God made thousands of animals sleep for a year in a boat too small to hold them all but too large to hold together?

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Levitation and the supernatural exists documentably in paganism, the accult and spiritism.

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ummm..... there ain't no documentation. If there was you'd have a point. None of this stuff has ever been demonstrated under controlled conditions.

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Why must documentable Biblical stuff always be the exception with you folks?

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Its not. The Biblical stuff is just more of the same.

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Could the answer to that lie in the Biblical contention that the evil and the false exists, via the devil and his army to fight against God, good and truth to explain why things go as they do on earth?

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Fine. If there is no god, there is no supernatural. Add the two ifs and they poof each other out of existence. If/then statements are only meaningful IF you can support that first clause.

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Not uite that simple, imo, John. What is observed by multitudes of credible folks is that the supernatural exists. Here are some observable examples of the existence of the supernatural.1. Fulfilled Biblical prophecy.
2. Archeological evidence of Biblical history, including supernatural events.
3. The observed evidence of the supernatural in the occult, paganism such as voodo, spiritism and others realms of the Biblical evil phenomenon.
3. The observed evidence of the supernatural in areas of Christian fundamentalism.

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Nope. So must I believe EVERYTHING on the grounds that it MIGHT be true, or believe what I can reasonably infer to be true?

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So you believe "magic"/supernatural may be true in some fashion?

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So because we can now send ships into space we should believe that God made thousands of animals sleep for a year in a boat too small to hold them all but too large to hold together?

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1. Your assessment of the capability of the ark is relative to what you believe about the ark and the state of the animals therein.
2. There is, in the opinion of an ever growing number of credible folk, evidence to the landing site of the ark and evidence to the fact of the flood, an example being the late expeditions of National Geographic's Ballard, the man who found the Titanic, that the flood happened as per his discoveries of the Black Sea once being full of salt water and of civilization 300 or so feet below the surface of the sea.

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that the flood happened as per his discoveries of the Black Sea once being full of salt water and of civilization 300 or so feet below the surface of the sea.

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The filling of the Black Sea hardly offers much comfort for a literalist Noah's flood, though. According to Ryan and Pitman's research, popularized in their book called Noah's Flood, the Black Sea was a lake fed by the Danube, etc, until about 7500 years ago, long before your worldview has people existing. Rising sea levels due to melting ice caps finally breached a natural barrier where the Bosporus is now, and the Mediterranean filled the Black to its present size over a few years. Dramatic for the people that had houses by the lake, sure, but hardly "worldwide" or 15 cubits over the highest mountains - they had to walk away from home, maybe sort of quickly - but no 450-foot square boat was necessary or even plausible. That part, in their scenario, was left to oral traditions that surfaced later in the Epic of Gilgamesh and then the Noah story. Oral traditions have a way of getting a little embellished over time....
And yes, after R & P wrote the book, Geographic sponsored a program to find ruins near the old lakeshore. One probable ruin of a building, IIRC, showed up on sonar.
I have yet to see anything remotely resembling evidence for the location of this "ark" - Ron Wyatt's silly website doesn't count as evidence, just as a con job.

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2. Archeological evidence of Biblical history, including supernatural events.

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Cite one shred of archaeological evidence for a supernatural event. It doesn't even have to be Biblical: something at Troy or one of Grendel's dam's teeth will do.