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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
All I said was that the graph that fallcy cop linked to didn't say anything about antropogenic CO2, despite his representation that the graph would make it clear. And, from that, you concluded that the entire edifice of anthropogenic climate change was a sham? Who, exactly, is looking through ideological lenses here?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
And, from that, you concluded that the entire edifice of anthropogenic climate change was a sham? Please either find where I said that or get your glasses checked. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4622 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Charley writes: If your trying to cool the planet it makes little sense to tax that which fights global warming If you are trying to imply that we would be better off pumping out particulates to try and combat global warming perhaps you should look up respiratory illnesses and how it is linked to pollution. A good start would be the following articles -
Nitrogen Oxides and Your Health UC Berkeley, Princeton team demonstrates cheap way to reduce toll of respiratory illness from indoor cooking fires in Third World There are a ton of arcticles that would meet your research requirements. I am sure there are statistics and such that show a definitive link between particulates and respiratory illnesses. I believe that your proposed solution to global warming would have a very negative effect on the health of humans. An alternate solution would be to reduce both particulate emissions and Co2, coincedentally this is exactly what most scientists are trying to work out.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5613 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
If you are trying to imply that we would be better off pumping out particulates to try and combat global warming perhaps you should look up respiratory illnesses and how it is linked to pollution. I actually agree with Crashfrog that the environmentalists that said particulates was causing global cooling when particulates never was a threat to the earth. The global cooling scare in 1970-1990's. The hydrological cycle is how particulates are naturally scrubbed out of the air. In effect washes the sulfides, nitrates into the soil which might actually be empowering the soil to release cationic anionic minerals for increased nutritious plant growth. I hear you however that in the cities nitric acids, sulfides can be a nasty smog problem thus the need for tall smoke stacks and scrubbers and perhaps a move to the country. Even Mt. St. Helens massive ash contributions only temporarily affected the global weather. Likely because of our natural air purifier in the water hydrological cycle that purifies the atmosphere. Which in part why the massive ash pumped into the upper atmosphere by Mt. St. Helens only temporarily caused a temporary solar cooling effect. The bottom line is Co2 never was the cause of global warming and particulates because of the water cycle get purged from the air so its at best only a temporary fix to a problem that only exists in the minds of the environmentalists. A one degree rise in the next hundred years in global temps with a rise in Co2 is only a good thing given the oceans are not rising due to the increases in ice on the polar caps due to global warming. There really is nothing we can do to combat global warming given the sun has been heating up slowly over the last thousand years. ---------------------------------- So they did. The UN's second assessment report, in 1996, showed a 1,000-year graph demonstrating that temperature in the Middle Ages was warmer than today. But the 2001 report contained a new graph showing no medieval warm period. It wrongly concluded that the 20th century was the warmest for 1,000 years. The graph looked like an ice hockey-stick. The wrongly flat AD1000-AD1900 temperature line was the shaft: the uptick from 1900 to 2000 was the blade. Here's how they did it: News: Breaking stories & updates - The Telegraph Edited by Charley, : No reason given.
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BMG Member (Idle past 230 days) Posts: 357 From: Southwestern U.S. Joined: |
A one degree rise in the next hundred years in global temps with a rise in Co2 is only a good thing given the oceans are not rising due to the increases in ice on the polar caps due to global warming. Hi Charley. You mind clarifying this bit right here?
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5613 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
A one degree rise in the next hundred years in global temps with a rise in Co2 is only a good thing given the oceans are not rising due to the increases in ice on the polar caps due to global warming. Hi Charley. You mind clarifying this bit right here? Climate chaos? Don't believe itBy Christopher Monckton, Sunday Telegraph Last Updated: 12:14am GMT 05/11/2006 Removing the UN's solecisms, and using reasonable data and assumptions, a simple global model shows that temperature will rise by just 0.1 to 1.4C in the coming century, with a best estimate of 0.6C, well within the medieval temperature range and only a fifth of the UN's new, central projection. News: Breaking stories & updates - The Telegraph
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
Just an aside, that paper says this:
quote: I can't believe that author is actually applying the Stefan-Boltzmann Equation, which the slightest wikipedia search reveals that it calculates "the total energy radiated per unit surface area of a black body in unit time is proportional to the fourth power of the thermodynamic temperature". A further check of 'black body' reveals: a black body is an object that absorbs all electromagnetic radiation that falls onto it. Clearly, because the Earth can be seen from space, it isn't a black body, so the Equation does NOT apply to Earth. Edited by Doddy, : fixed grammar "Der Mensch kann was er will; er kann aber nicht wollen was er will." (Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills.) - Arthur Schopenhauer
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I can't believe that author is actually applying the Stefan-Boltzmann Equation Chris Monckton is a known dissembler. He'll use any tenuous, science-sounding terminology to dissuade people about global warming. He's been known to invent "data" from whole cloth just to prove his point, and newspapers almost always fall for it in their search for "balance" - a balance that doesn't exist in the scientific community. Realclimate.org has several posts on his nonsense. I wouldn't believe anything from his pen.
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5893 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
...if you want to start a vinyard in Scotland, it's half full. Unless some of the worst-case scenarios come true (like disruption of the Atlantic conveyor). In which case, it'd be tough to start a vinyard on permafrost.
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bgmark2 Member (Idle past 6179 days) Posts: 18 Joined: |
co2 induced global warming is a myth...this is an end time prophecy, next will come billows of smoke from nuclear explosions.
Luke 21:25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. What about coconuts? |
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