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Fosdick 
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Message 16 of 19 (489025)
11-21-2008 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Phat
11-21-2008 10:51 AM


Re: World War III potential origins
Phat writes:
I conclude that WWIII, if it ever happens, will be started essentially by us and will be due to loss of entitlement and financial dominance which the US has traditionally had in the world. We won't give up our position without a fight!
I don't think so, either”that day of reckoning is coming, I think. But I worry that America may be clobbered even worse by a Civil War II than a WWIII.
”FTF

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Message 17 of 19 (489027)
11-21-2008 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Fosdick
11-21-2008 11:07 AM


Re: World War III potential origins
Both World Wars resulted from the collision of diverse alliances of member nations and ideologies. I doubt this will occur again to the scale of the previous two world wars. I do not see alliances of opposing major super powers that like of WWII i.e. Japan-Germany-Italy. Even China though ideologically opposes i.e. capitalism vs. communism, they do not have the political will power to directly oppose us militarily (though I can see us getting into limited skirmishes over Taiwan and other west pacific territories) nor do they have the powerful alliances that were present during WWII. More likely we will be waging economic and cyber battles over world dominance. Another factor not present in WWI and WWII was that of nuclear deterrence which seems to temper any major conflicts with the superpowers.
As far as a CWII. I think it highly unlikely as our present generation is the most racially diverse in American history and no one race or ethnic group holds absolute powers over the others.
Of course I am an optimist and am always hoping that mankind can overcome these petty ideological squabbles and not destroy itself in the process.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : Correct misspelling

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Dr. Carl Sagan

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Fosdick 
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Message 18 of 19 (489029)
11-21-2008 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by DevilsAdvocate
11-21-2008 11:59 AM


Re: World War III potential origins
DA writes:
Both World Wars resulted from the collision of diverse alliances of member nations and ideologies. I doubt this will occur again to the scale of the previous two world wars. I do not see alliances of opposing major super powers that like of WWII i.e. Japan-Germany-Italy. Even China though ideologically opposes i.e. capitalism vs. communism, they do not have the political will power to directly oppose us militarily (though I can see us getting into limited skirmishes over Taiwan and other west pacific territories) nor do they have the powerful alliances that were present during WWII. More likely we will be waging economic and cyber battles over world dominance. Another factor not present in WWI and WWII was that of nuclear deterrence which seems to temper any major conflicts with the superpowers.
Well said and hard to refute. However, being more of a pessimist than you, I worry that global economic depression would comprise hidden disruptive forces that come from mass desperation, especially from the Islamniacs (see Message 1). I worry that America herself is a danger to the world; she's already proved that under Bush. And think America is about to face something it is ill prepared for.
As far as a CWII. I think it highly unlikely as our present generation is the most racially diverse in American history and no one race or ethnic group holds absolute powers over the others.
Perhaps you underestimate the forces of evil that lurk just an onion skin away from street level. LA is barely able to contain its gangs. They'll burn it down if they have a mind to, and economic depression will help fuel their fury. And I'm afraid Obama will get assassinated and all hell will break loose. I single out California because it is on the brink of economic disaster, to name just one. The Santa Ana fires are a cynical metaphor of what's to come, I fear. But, then, I'm a pessimist, on the short term. On the long term, in a few decades, American will be better off for it, just as she was after the Civil War. But our quality of life will be substantially lowered.
When unemployment here rises past 10% we will see desperation; and if it goes to 20% it's "Katie, bar the door!" There won't be enough cops to keep the crooks out of your living room. The next four years should be very interesting.
”FTF

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Message 19 of 19 (489035)
11-21-2008 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Fosdick
11-21-2008 1:02 PM


Re: World War III potential origins
Well said and hard to refute. However, being more of a pessimist than you, I worry that global economic depression would comprise hidden disruptive forces that come from mass desperation, especially from the Islamniacs (see Message 1). I worry that America herself is a danger to the world; she's already proved that under Bush. And think America is about to face something it is ill prepared for.
Yes I agree with you, a global economic depression and a growing global unemployment rate are definitely worrisome things to consider. I also agree that America's blatant nationalistic
"thumbing its nose" attitude towards the global community and its imperialistic pursuits of natural resources have also resulted in resentment and anger especially in areas that have only recently thrown off the shackles of colonialism i.e. the middle east and equatorial Africa. This is a formula for disaster. Whether it will result in WW III, I see unlikely due to the limitations these populations have both economically and militarily. However, I do not rule out further terrorist attacks such dirty bombs, attacks like 9-11, hijackings, etc.
It doesn't help that we are occupying two countries in the middle east, support a regime that is at times opposed to peaceful mediation with the Palestinians to establish a separate Palestinian state (and no, I am not anti-Semitic, my brother-in-law is Jewish), support oppressive regimes (i.e. the Shah of Iran as well as Saddam Hussein himself) and have replaced the British and French as the colonial/imperialistic power of the Middle East. I am not excusing terrorism in the least. However at the same time we need to understand America is not just an innocent bystander either.
Perhaps you underestimate the forces of evil that lurk just an onion skin away from street level. LA is barely able to contain its gangs. They'll burn it down if they have a mind to, and economic depression will help fuel their fury. And I'm afraid Obama will get assassinated and all hell will break loose. I single out California because it is on the brink of economic disaster, to name just one. The Santa Ana fires are a cynical metaphor of what's to come, I fear. But, then, I'm a pessimist, on the short term. On the long term, in a few decades, American will be better off for it, just as she was after the Civil War. But our quality of life will be substantially lowered.
When unemployment here rises past 10% we will see desperation; and if it goes to 20% it's "Katie, bar the door!" There won't be enough cops to keep the crooks out of your living room. The next four years should be very interesting.
Street gangs and the like are a result of our inability to provide social incentives and deterrences to this way of life. I am not an expert in this area and cannot give you sure fire solutions to these problems however I do believe a well-founded education system is one of the thing that will work at reducing these risks. I am hoping the President Elect Obama and Vice President Elect Biden understand this (I think they do) and really work to reorganize and revitalize our education system. My wife being a teacher herself has a vetted interest in this and has informed me about the inequality and lack of funding for the current "No Child Left Behind" program. It is not enough to increase our justice and criminal system we must nip this at the bud in our education systems, which included educating the parents as well as the children.

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Dr. Carl Sagan

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