Pop Quiz in American History 101

Um... you do realize that the industrialization of this country was lauched by a hand full of educated men rather than the general populace, right? Honestly, I don't know what kind of fairy land you've been living in. Neither the people in biblical times nor the people of the 19th century sofisticated in regard to human reason and morality. This is my problem with you, buz. You seem to dwell on the morals and reasons of people who were damn barbaric. These were the people that would conquer a city, kill every man, woman, and child in it, and then claim that god commanded them to do it. These were the same people that kidnapped random people on another continent, transported them in overcrowded slave ships where over half would die along the way, and then sell them as properties. You seem to be able to come up with all kinds of fairy land logic to justify all of these. You have any idea how horrified I am for the children in your congregation? Wow, and you used the words "observational scientific" you must be really really smart. Here is what's up in academia. Everytime we hear someone tries to use words like "scientific" or "mathematically", we'd role our eyes knowing we are dealing with another case of the illiterate trying to sound smart. I'm going back to my example of little Mary proclaiming in a crowd of people that "we need more coolant" hoping to impress the nuclear engineers. So, are you saying that AIDS really is god's punishment for gay people? Because if you are, I think the rest of the christian community should be embarrassed for your ignorance, buz. It's kind of pointless to have a punishment for a group of people that at the same time affect just about everyone else, don't you think? It's like me wanting to punish my son A by making A, B, C, and D do chores all day.

Correct. It was the fourth debate that took place in Charleston, IL, on September 18, 1958. [I've taken all my information from Fergus Bordewich's article in the September 2008 issue of Smithsonian ("Face The Nation," pp. 61-69)]”HM

You need anger-management therapy, my lad, along with an injection of anti-hyperbole medication.”HM

According to the record, it was not by predisposition of God, but due to the actions of humanity that motivated God, the designer, to initiate multiple languages effecting the global migration and segregation of what we call tribes, tongues, and nations. We have most of the original accounts of Lincoln history from various sources to examine. What is it that you question?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

What is inadequate about the word term negro? Noted blacks use it fairly regularly in media. Are you implying that only whites are to be allowed the word/term, caucasian which should not be used by blacks?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

It's borderline being offensive to some people. Sure, we could sit here all day discussing the philosohical implications of words being given such power by man and all that bullshit. Simple fact is it's something that I'd avoid if possible. Last time I checked, African civilizations didn't systematically kidnap whites from Europe and transport them on slave ships that had a 50% death rate to distant places to be sold as property. Just remember that Jim Crow wasn't that long ago. We still need to be sensitive to this issue.Added by edit.It's like calling asians the "yellow race". Most people nowadays don't even know how the term came about or the implications behind it. Even most asians I know honest-to-goodness believe their skin has a hint of yellow in them, which isn't true at all. This phrase came about during the 1800s when there was a massive influx of Chinese immigration to North America. If you haven't noticed, asian people tend to smile and bow at you when they greet you. It's a cultural thing. But the American hicks and hillbillies at the time thought it was a sign of fear of the white man. The word "yellow" arose directly from the description of being "chicken" or having no guts at the time. After all, it is cultural for asian people to try to NOT make a big deal out of unpleasant things. If someone stepped on your foot, you'd probably feel irritated if the person doesn't apologize to you. But most typical asians would just ignore it and go on their merry way. Just don't mistake this as a sign of weakness.Will asian people take offense if you describe them as "yellow"? Probably not. But all it does is reveal your ignorance and insensitivity to race relations.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

But historians often like to remember things differently, according to whatever argument they are trying to make. Let's not go back 150 years, but instead only 20, to the waning days of Reagan's administration. Historians like to remember him as the one who brought down the Soviet Union. That's pure poodle poop. Ask any Russian and he will tell you that Reagan had nothing to do with it. It was all internal. And yet The History Channel reports it otherwise.Now, if we go back in history 2000 years, how can we be sure of anything anyone ever said, especially if the author never wrote it down? And if Jesus ever said anything recordable he didn't say it in English. Context can be lost in translation. So, how can we be sure that his biological mother was a virgin in the never-had-sexual-intercourse sense and not a virgin in the Greek-language sense, wherein a virgin can mean just a young woman?And how do I know if the recorders of the Lincoln-Douglas debate quoted the men correctly? There was no QA or media-industry standards at the time to verify the accuracy of the reporting...yadda, yadda.I guess my point in this thread is to show how easily we can persuaded by what we want to believe.”HM

What a game it could be if Japan ever got pro football: The Washington Redskins against the Yokohama Yellow Peril.”HM

I'm not angry. I'm just mentally imbalanced.

Buzsaw writes:

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1. At the time of the emancipation, black slaves were not savvy enough politically to govern, vote or assimilate fully into the mainstream educated populace. This was likely the best for America. It was the beginning of what was to become something better for the minority race.

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In the sense that a group of people who were never educated, it would be true that they would be poorly equipped to become full members of a society that is based upon certain cultural, political, and social lessons.So we get to deny them their rights?

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2. Lincoln was right. Compatibility among the races is not necessarily assumable. We are different inherantly, somewhat ideologically, emotionally, physiologically and culturally. Realistically, that stiffles compatibility.

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You realize that you just argued that everybody should be gay, right? "The sexes are different inherently, somewhat ideologically, emotionally, physiologically, and culturally. Realistically, that stifles compatibility."

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3. Whether evo, creo or whatever one's ideology be, the reality is that either an ID creator created the races for some purpose or NS and RM naturalism evolved the races thataway.

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Incorrect. There is at least one more option. Let's see if you can figure it out. The one I'm thinking of involves your "ID creator." What about your sentence involving the "ID creator" can be altered to create an option different from what you have claimed?

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To jam fool heads into the sand and incriminate one's who have enough brains to understand this as racist bigots is itself meanspirited bigotism.

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Ah, here we go again: Refusing to accept intolerance is somehow declared to be "intolerance."If you don't like being called out as a racist bigot, Buzsaw, perhaps you should stop advocating racist bigotry.

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4. That blacks still congregate together and whites congregate together after all of the integration hoop - law by government and social advocates we've endured all these decades, attests to the fact that ideally, the races are more content to mingle among likes.

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And once again, you argue that everybody should be gay.Hint: Does the word "culture" mean anything to you? Why is it you hang around with your friends and not with people who aren't your friends?

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if my son were to marry a black, contrary to my advice

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And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot.

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he's maligned as a bigot in this thread

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And once again, we've got the "Doesn't kick puppies" mindset going on. Such black-and-white thinking, that in order to rise to the level of "bigot," one must be absolutely evil in all ways and if only we could show that the person doesn't kick puppies, then that's enough to declare him to be beyond reproach.That Lincoln wasn't a perfect angel doesn't make him a demon. And that he wasn't a perfect demon doesn't make him an angel.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Hoot Mon writes:

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Let's not go back 150 years, but instead only 20, to the waning days of Reagan's administration. Historians like to remember him as the one who brought down the Soviet Union. That's pure poodle poop. Ask any Russian and he will tell you that Reagan had nothing to do with it. It was all internal. And yet The History Channel reports it otherwise.

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What programs are you watching? I don't know a single historian who credits Reagan with bringing on the collapse of the Soviet Union. Republicans on talking-head shows will say it, but I haven't seen any historian make the claim.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Taz writes:

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It's like calling asians the "yellow race". Most people nowadays don't even know how the term came about or the implications behind it. Even most asians I know honest-to-goodness believe their skin has a hint of yellow in them, which isn't true at all. This phrase came about during the 1800s when there was a massive influx of Chinese immigration to North America. If you haven't noticed, asian people tend to smile and bow at you when they greet you. It's a cultural thing. But the American hicks and hillbillies at the time thought it was a sign of fear of the white man. The word "yellow" arose directly from the description of being "chicken" or having no guts at the time.

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Incorrect. The color-terminology that we have regarding racial classifications came about from Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (De generis humani varietate nativa, or On the Natural Varieties of Mankind, 1775), in the order he came up with: White, red, yellow, brown, and black, breaking down into what he would call Caucasian, American, Mongol, Malay, and Ethiopian, respectively.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Buzsaw responds to Taz:

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Everyday, I drive by a predominantly black church to and from work. Everytime I drive by that church, I'm always reminded by the sign they put up a few years back that read "AIDS is God's punishment for gay people".

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Mmmm, they must've read something in the OT of their Bible about what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Huh?The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. We've been through this before.But at any rate, AIDS isn't a gay disease. It's a straight disease. Three-quarters of all cases of HIV transmission worldwide were through heterosexual sex. Another 20% were through IV drug use. Then comes mother-to-child transmission. Male-male sexual activity is actually a minor proportion and it is pretty much only in the United States that it is still predominantly male-male sexual activity.If "AIDS is god's punishment for gay people," then why is killing off everybody else?And since lesbians have the least risk of contracting HIV, why is god using a method that doesn't get rid of gay people?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

It should turn into another homosexuality topic.If someone wishes to mine some sort of race relations type theme out of this topic - Go to it and submit a new Coffee House topic.That new topic opening message should contain a defined theme and a position statement from the topic starter. The theme needs to be more than "I want to talk more about what was in the "Pop Quiz in American History 101" topic.AdminnemooseusNote by edit: Typo in first sentence, as quoted here. The sentence was intended to be "It should not turn into another homosexuality topic."Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See note above.

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