Immorality of Homosexuality

well firstly you need to find a moral code the work from , dropping the bible annd any other holy books, dont leave much, your then stuck with cultural morsal ..most of which a religion based .I can see where in some system homosexuality is deemed immoral as it is sex not for reproduction , but then the same code would make all forms of sex not between husband and wife for baby production as immoral , other wish prehaps in a culture where men and women largly live seperate lives ..where homosexuality is called immoral tio pervent "conflicts" with in the all one sex groupsbeyonfd that is down to power and control with no reason

I completely disagree.Morality does not arrise from the Bible, the Koran, or any other book.Morality develops out of philisophical stance.The "Golden Rule" is not a concept exclusive to the Bible.
Utilitarianism does not stem from a holy book.Im sure someone better schooled in philosophy could name a dozen other positions.Further, the Bible is spectacularly BAD as a source of morality.MOST of what the Bible lays out is completely ignored by modern society.If we go under the premise that this is a text, laid down by God, then we must treat ALL of the instructions within as the "Word of God".That means no beard shaving. No crab eatting. Regular animal sacrifice. etc etcWe as a society don't even hold the 10 Commandments as a valuable source of moral code.So, relying on the Bible as the sole excuse for systematic legislative abuse of homosexuals is blatant hypocracy

Of course those of us who don't believe in divine revelation consider the moral codes in these holy books to be derived from cultural moral considerations, so the point is moot.TTFN,WK

i think i may have not made myself cleari totally agree with you about the bible , my point was that in most cultures the origins of their moral code , the keepers and enforces of that code are/were the religious offices of the culture , so by dropping the bible and other religious books you have difficulty finding any formally writen moral code .
Part of the problem western european culture has is the large ammount of time when the church was the only source of learning giving it great cultural infulance , thus setting the agenda for any moral views .i would disagree with.. .. it come much more from a need for society to control and regulate its members ..only once the society is stable under the moral code is there time/ room for philisophical reflect upon the moral code .totally agree ref 10 commandment ... they are religious law , not a moral codetotally agree with you about the way in which the bible is used to say homosexuality is immoral ... for some reasons you pointed out re beards shellfish etc at the very least .. if you want to use the bible you cant just pick the bits that suit you ...secondly , im not aware of it being compulsary to follow the biblical religions ,and all of us being subject to biblical laws/ codes ...thus it nonapplicableEdited by ikabod, : rewording

yep agreed , my point really is that reguardless of , if the holy book of {insertnamehere} is the divine data feed , or the constuct of mushroom eating , hemp smoking priests , its the cultures religion that takes the leading in making and running the moral code , becoming so intertwined as to become inseperatable .

And that's a good thing. The Bible and other religious books reflect the moral values of foreign societies from thousands of years ago. They hardly have any relevance to our society.For a tribe that was in danger of extinction, that needed manpower to grow food and defend itself, a ban on homosexuality might "make sense". In today's overpopulated technological world, it doesn't.Written moral codes have no more value than written manuals for chariot repair.

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So, you're telling me they have some value? Think Dumb & Dumber

Curiosity value, yes. Historical value, maybe.Practical value, no.

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yep agrees ..
the only value these old historic moral codes have is to show how much we have changed , have reasoned slavery is wrong , beards , are shell fish , cloth of mixed fibres, working on the whatever day , is not a reason to go th hell, women should treated the same as men , and homosexuality will not cause the earth to open and swallow up the citie with liberal attitudes ....oh and my local church has no use for 3/5 of a goat , a 1lb bag of selfraiseing flour and a 1/4 bottle of palm oil ....and you can get away with shouting out "Thor is a wuss" in a thunder storm with out getting 40000amps running down your spine ...

Are not some Jews and Muslims against Gay Marraige? You deny this?
Oh, you spelt Religion wrong. Wow, I must have hit a nerve there nancy! I already regarded your OP in several posts. I kept trying to ram in your head that it is a DEAD issue. You disregard what I say without understanding MY point. I already addressed the ceremonial/civil laws of the Torah in an post here. wont work.Maybe you should bring up things that go against moral law, such as WORSHIPPING OTHER GODS. Maybe thou would havest a pointeth? um, you do know that Christianity came about in the Iron age? And subsequently Cathedrals afterwards... Yet you are bigoted towards the religious now. You already attacked the intelligence of religious people without regarding those of religion who where very intelligent and or wise. Martin Luther King, Isaac Newton, Robert Bakker, Al Gore, Alexander the Great, etc. (and I bet you or another evie will bring up the religious bad guys (Hitler) as a response. Pathetic) Oh really? Jerry Falwell and Patty Robertson (as if they are the leaders of my "cause". I differ with them no doubt on several Biblical matters, definitely on Global warming)are gay or have gay children? Grandchildren? Rick Warren and Joel Osteen are gay or have gay children? Have you ever seen Joel's wife (RRarrr!)? Good ol' Billy Graham is queer or have queer children?? Evidence please? Someone besides Ted Haggard and others that it has been PROVED BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT or ABSOLUTLY PROVEN are gay or have gay offspring??Maybe those of YUR cause are closet Fundies or have children/parents that are fundies?If you want to continue to debate this, go ahead. Im SURE you and your "allies" will nit pick and thrash this post (oh Goody I think I made a smarty!!), and I wont continue to debate this with you, becasue you cant. It's like debating a flat earther, seriously.Continue youre march to beating a dead horse. Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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You may want to tone down the snarky and tone up the smart.Christianity developed out of Judaism - which predates the iron age.And OBVIOUSLY the Cathedrals "of our major cities", like "our major cities" were built later. I cite Godwin's law and hereby declare myself the winner! Good game. That list is from blogactive, and that's just a couple seconds of searching.As for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson - CLEARLY both these men smoke the pole!

In a homosexual relationship, there is no victim.
In a bestiality relationship there is no consent given or asked for from the victim.This would make bestiality a worse infraction than homosexuality.One comes from love, the other from domination and rape.Regards
DL

Yeah, I don't see why anyone would hold homosexuality and bestiality in anyway similar.

If you have paid attention, you would have known that nem_jug has a long history of comparing homosexuality to just about every horrific act of crime. Compared to some of the other things he said, comparing homosexuality to bestiality seems like a compliment.

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You'll also not that the list above includes many many people who behave exactly like Nem_jug and are, of course, homosexuals themself.Beginning to see a pattern here?I think we can make some pretty basic assumptions about NJ's nightlife