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Author Topic:   Thou Shalt Not Kill - Except......?
Greatest I am
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Message 31 of 36 (380828)
01-29-2007 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by iceage
01-28-2007 11:56 PM


Re: Thou shall not
Perhaps this is why Jesus had issues with the Church of the day. He saw many issues that needed clarification. He knew from the beginning of His ministry that He was going to shake the foundation "the old writings" of the Church. He dared interpret these works in a different way. Hence the crucifiction.
A further possibility is that we have misinterpreted the passages that you speak of. Perhaps a revue of these is something we could look at. Please supply.
Regards
DL

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iceage 
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Message 32 of 36 (380829)
01-29-2007 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Greatest I am
01-29-2007 12:21 AM


Re: Thou shall not
I alway find it surprising that Christians are in general unaware of the murderous, genocidal, sexual deviant, revengeful passages in the old testament. Here are a few you can do your own research....
Exodus 32:27 writes:
Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
Numbers 31 writes:
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:10 writes:
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Deuteronomy 32:41 writes:
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
Judges 14:19 in reference to Samson writes:
And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house.
There is more much more if one looks.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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Greatest I am
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Message 33 of 36 (380986)
01-29-2007 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by iceage
01-29-2007 12:54 AM


Re: Thou shall not
Exactly.
These examples are the exact type of statements that Jesus had come to "tear down"
His non violent views are well known. He wanted to turn the Church from exclusion to inclusion.
Regards
DL

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Coragyps
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Message 34 of 36 (380995)
01-29-2007 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Greatest I am
01-29-2007 2:48 PM


Re: Thou shall not
He wanted to turn the Church from exclusion to inclusion.
"The Church" didn't exist in 30 AD.........

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iceage 
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Message 35 of 36 (381164)
01-30-2007 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Greatest I am
01-29-2007 2:48 PM


Re: Thou shall not
GIAM writes:
These examples are the exact type of statements that Jesus had come to "tear down" His non violent views are well known.
I pray that you direct your message to those that are really in dire need of it....
The literal fundamentalist (both Christian and Muslim) who organize their lives around some really bad and destructive theology.

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Greatest I am
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Message 36 of 36 (384400)
02-11-2007 12:09 PM
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01-29-2007 3:14 PM


Re: Thou shall not
One could say that Chritianity started with the birth of Jesus.
If man has two natures, and he does, the political nature and a spiritual nature, we can say that religion was born with the first man.
Regards
DL

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