God: Knowable or not Knowable?

So, you have chosen the track on which you decrease God to a humanly level? Okay. No; sorry. We fear things that we do not understand. Once we understand something, we stop fearing it and begin feeling different emotions toward it - e.g., love, hate, respect, etc. But fear and understanding? They just do not go together, sorry. I'll leave it up to someone else to explain that one to you .Jon

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No; sorry. We fear things that we do not understand. Once we understand something, we stop fearing it and begin feeling different emotions toward it.

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ya think?! To gain the understanding of God, you must fear God, so therefor you understand you're place in the world, which is being humble. when a individual believes that there is a Holy place in the after life, this individual will submit(put his life in God's Hands, so that he may do what he pleases)which is considered respect,love,good,and therefor the individual is seen to be a Righteous Man who gives everything to God, for without God, the man would have nothing.

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Once we understand something, we stop fearing it and begin feeling different emotions toward it, But fear and understanding? They just do not go together.

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yep! how can you fear something when the basic nature of humanity is blind by its own ignorance...sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : :/

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2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you shall answer me." JOB 38:23

If I were a dog, I may seek my "own kind" to find 'Tang, but I would prefer hanging out with my Master who could provide me with ample table scraps, scruffy neck rubs, and who even talked to me in the hopes that we could understand each other!! Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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Well I see the world as a sinful,sick, and chaotic place, which has diseased/ignorant infested humans who are blinded and focused on the material and pleasures of sex,money,hate,and ability to satisfy ones own selfishness, BUT HEY! THATS JUST ME TALKING!

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You mean like all of the Christian leaders and Republicans that we see on the news every other day? It surely seems to me that if you want to find the worst money grubbing materialistic, immoral, hateful people, all you have to do is look at Radical Conservative Christians and Right-Wing Authoritarian Republicans.I guess, if those are the people you choose to hang out with, you might get such a negative, fearful view of humanity.Happily, I steer clear of such nasty folk and as a result, see the world as a much better place than you clearly do.

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You mean like all of the Christian leaders and Republicans that we see on the news every other day? It surely seems to me that if you want to find the worst money grubbing materialistic, immoral, hateful people, all you have to do is look at Radical Conservative Christians and Right-Wing Authoritarian Republicans.

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all of the Christians.. do you even think before you post? oh yes nator the whole U.S.A has only 1 religion.. No! well I'm guessing Darwin was a free spiritual man who gave his books away for free right? Most people I know today really think the author of "origin of the species" was really stubborn and decided to say,"the hell with you all" and publish his work just so he could make a buck. By the way nator, don't you even dare try to compare The Catholic religion to Christianity. The Christians repent to The Lord our God, unlike the Catholics who repent in a booth to a priest, who doesn't have the authority to hand you forgiveness on a silver platter, because when you repent you're more likely telling God "I'll change my ways if you forgive me" but not many people change, so of course they just keep sinning and didn't change at all. but to say the least their learning how to repent, they just need some adjustments.

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Happily, I steer clear of such nasty folk and as a result, see the world as a much better place than you clearly do.

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Prostitution,murder,rape,greed,lust,stealing,cursing,hate,lying,and blasphemy, well thats all i saw to day. mostly murder and rape on the news earlier this morning.

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see the world as a much better place than you clearly do.

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Maybe in Alaska.The reason i post something about Darwin's work was a example of a Money grubbing materialistic and somewhat immoral personality.sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : :/

The topic, in case you failed to notice is "God: Knowable or not Knowable?"And stop posting absolute nonsense like "By the way nator, don't you even dare try to compare The Catholic religion to Christianity. " It only makes you look ignorant and bigoted.Try to address the topic and avoid posting stuff that simply makes you look even more ignorant.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Let me get this straight. You're claiming that God is unknowable because you don't have a @#$%ing clue what He's all about?You've done an admirable job of demonstrating your own lack of repentence, but that only shows that God is unknown to some, not unknowable.

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“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

Forum Guidelines rule#10: Keep discussion civil and avoid inflammatory behavior that might distract attention from the topic. Argue the position, not the person.sincerely yours, AdminPhatEdited by AdminPhat, : changed fontEdited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.

So, as far as you're concerned, the purpose of your master is to: "provide me with ample table scraps, scruffy neck rubs..."? It's an odd master that serves his subordinates more than they serve him... no? So, in your experiences with your own pet (bird), you've learned what she likes to eat, when she wants to go in her cage, when she's thirsty, if she's tired... etc. What has your bird learned about you?Jon

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all of the Christians.. do you even think before you post? oh yes nator the whole U.S.A has only 1 religion.. No!

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Please notice I didn't say "all the christians". I said:

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well I'm guessing Darwin was a free spiritual man who gave his books away for free right? Most people I know today really think the author of "origin of the species" was really stubborn and decided to say,"the hell with you all" and publish his work just so he could make a buck.

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You know a lot of misinformed people, apparently.Have you ever read Origin of Species? Exactly how much money do you think Darwin made from its publication?

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By the way nator, don't you even dare try to compare The Catholic religion to Christianity. The Christians repent to The Lord our God, unlike the Catholics who repent in a booth to a priest, who doesn't have the authority to hand you forgiveness on a silver platter, because when you repent you're more likely telling God "I'll change my ways if you forgive me" but not many people change, so of course they just keep sinning and didn't change at all. but to say the least their learning how to repent, they just need some adjustments.

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Catholics are christians, despite your bigotry regarding their doctrine and customs.By the way, why have you nothing to say about the "Christian leaders and Republicans that we see on the news every other day? It surely seems to me that if you want to find the worst money grubbing materialistic, immoral, hateful people, all you have to do is look at Radical Conservative Christians and Right-Wing Authoritarian Republicans."?

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Prostitution,

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Like the male prostitute Dobson was with, or the several Republican lawmakers who've been caught soliciting gay sex in bathrooms and hitting up teenage boys for sex and plying them with pot? Or the other Republican Representative who molested his foster daughters by telling them he was "examining" them for fertility?Like them?

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murder,rape,

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You mean like the prominen Republican beurocrat who analy raped his narcoleptic wife?

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greed,

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You mean like the Televangelists who fly around in jets and buy diamond mines and just plain embezzel money from their churche's donation coffers?Like them?

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lust,stealing,

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Covered those already, but we have to include the great Christian tax evader, Kent Hovind.

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cursing,hate,lying,

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Plenty of lying going on in the above scenarios, and we have to include AiG and Gish for lying. Let us also include Phelps, Robertson and Falwell for the hate.

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and blasphemy, well thats all i saw to day. mostly murder and rape on the news earlier this morning.

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OK, but so what? Are you saying that it isn't Christians doing these crimes, mostly? Most people in prison in the US self-identify as christian, you know.

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The reason i post something about Darwin's work was a example of a Money grubbing materialistic and somewhat immoral personality.

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How much money did Darwin make from his book?In comparison, how much money did Jerry Fallwell make from his book? Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

I said: (If I were a Dog)I would prefer hanging out with my Master who could provide me with ample table scraps, scruffy neck rubs Indeed. But the dog protects the house, fetches the paper, and does his best to provide a companion to the wife and kids. I like going on morning runs with him, too! (theooretically) First, this analogy is incomplete since unlike God, I am not a conure mind reader. But since you ask, I would say that my bird knows that when she squawks, I will check her food and water. She knows that when I want her to come out of the cage, she has to nip me to let me know she is uninterested. She always makes up by kissing me, though. Hey, she is just a bird, after all!

Are the limitations of what your bird can learn about you limited to those things you have in common, i.e., those things that are not different between you? I mean, the bird doesn't understand what it means when you type a reply at EvC, but she might understand what it means when you put food in your own mouth.So, are the limitations of what your bird can learn about you limited to those things that are not different between you?Jon Edited by AgamemJon, : cross your Ts and all that junk...

I see your point. But lets assume that I knw the bird better than even she did. Lets assume that it was irrelevant if she understood how I do the things I do. What is relevant is the love and trust that she gets from me.Now...if sometime in eons past, I foreknew that her and her cousins needed a sign, IF I were omnipotent, I could send my offspring (which was actually also me) and they would become a bird. Going among the birds, my offspring would spread love and give all the birds hope!actually, I know this is all rather silly, but I'm cooking lunch right now and not really thinking about this reply......

Okay. Now, for the question:Are the limitations of what your bird can learn about you limited to those things you have in common, i.e., those things that are not different between you? I mean, the bird doesn't understand what it means when you type a reply at EvC, but she might understand what it means when you put food in your own mouth.So, are the limitations of what your bird can learn about you limited to those things that are not different between you?Jon

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But the dog protects the house, fetches the paper, and does his best to provide a companion to the wife and kids. I like going on morning runs with him, too! (theooretically)

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Er, since when is a dog's master always male?In most pet-containing households I've known that consist of a straight couple and some kids, it is the woman and possibly the kids who take care of all the animals.