What specific evidence would people require to believe in God's existence?

Greatest I am It is strange that you seem to assume that recognition is somehow a given based on your definition of 'Perfection of systems' when there is no such system in nature.That is of course unless you wish to define perfection in your own way to suit your contentions. And this means what? A direct line via bell telephone? Ham radio? ESP?

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"The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides." - Carl Sagan, Billions and Billions

Which 30,000 out of the 200,000 years Homo sapiens has been around it that?Which 30,000 out of 6 million years hominids have been around is that?Which 30,000 out of 3.5 billion years life has been around is that?Well?Or is that just the years without death and disease from mutations and genetic flaws ....Enjoy.

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All of the above."Or is that just the years without death and disease from mutations and genetic flaws ...." Who promised you that.Sounds like whatever your looking for is personal.
I doubt that I can help from here buddy.Regards
DL

Standard definitions for Perfection will do.
Our planet is a good place to look for perfect systems. The Bible even proclaims it when it speaks of the bird not worrying about tomorrow etc. God provides.
I s a flower or a baby not Perfect systems.
Telepathy is real and is used by God as He so wishes. We usually call it the Holy Ghost.Regards
DL

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I challenge you to name one imperfect system in our greater reality.

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The human immune system. Obviously meant to keep people from getting sick, but people still get sick and even die.

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This world can take my money and time/ But it sure can't take my soul. -- Joe Ely

and sometimes it is their immune system that kills them.

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So you are going to say something essentially meaningless, not substantiate it and move on to another meaningless statement.bye.

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Greatest I am You have already mentioned this. However you have yet to offer an example of perfect system {since the standard definition is ok here we go}Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Since the onus is on you to back up your claim then I will allow you to clarify matters by offering an example of perfection according to the definitions herein {please follow numbering system to establish which definition you are refering to.} and tell us how the example is perfect in your own words.

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"The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides." - Carl Sagan, Billions and Billions

The universe has been in progress for many years.
It it were not perfect for us, we would not likely be here.If one cannot believe in a God that is perfect then one cannot be a Christian. Placing limits to God is not allowed.Our purpose is to reproduce and learn of good and evil.We are doing both successfully, perfectly.Regards
DL

I'm not convinced 'the system' is perfect. We have successfully evolved on earth through the grace of God but still we are facing extreme famine and are successfully destorying the world.

Populations rise even as we suffer all the woes that God has created and subjects man to.More seek God today than ever before.Things are good as far as God is concerned, I would think.There is a job for man though in the larger picture and that is of working on the numbers of the woe in question.Regards
DL

I don't usually join debates, but after reading this thread, I just had to point something out.
There have been quite a few attempts throughout this thread to come up with some evidence that would constitute proof of a god. It has been pointed out that the 'proof requirements' that people have suggested could also be attributed to a superior alien or alien race.
So I would like to propose what I think could be the only actual proof of a god, specifically the God of the bible. Since the Bible God is credited with creating the universe, it would seem to me that it would be easy for this 'being' to create a planet, or a star, or a simple moon, or a nebula that spells the word G-O-D or something.
An act or miracle such as this would be the only real proof of a god.
Thank you,
Coach

All God has to do is have someone speak the words, in order, that are written on the paper, in the sealed envelope, in my safety deposit box.What can I say? I have a low threshold for belief.

I agree.Only a miracle will ever convince some. Including myself. I was an extremely potent non believer before God communicated with me.Without this direct contact I doubt that I would believe especially when the Bible is so hard to understand. Especially when the church itself seems confused. IE. Why does the church baptise when Jesus already paid for all the sins of mankind. Babies are born perfect and have no original sin.Unless one sees the perfection of God's systems or has some kind of personal experience with God, I do not see anything writen that in and of itself points to God. Unfortunate indeed.Regards
DL

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