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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 178 days) Posts: 673 Joined:
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You people are doing Phat a serious disservice. Did you not pick up on the point the he paid a $3 transaction fee for his $100 worth of gold? And that he is now paying for a safe deposit box to store his gold? And that he'll probably pay another $3 fee when he sells his gold? Phat is giving up all his worldly possessions. He's just doing it very slowly.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
PaulK writes:
Religion didn't stunt my growth - I'm 6'3". My uncle was a Catholic priest and he was 6'2".
I’d suggest that religion is as often a barrier to growth as a sign of it
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Phat is giving up all his worldly possessions. He's just doing it very slowly. Yes, I went into this some many months ago when Phat was buying; that he needed to track all expenses and find a sell opportunity that covers not just his profit expectation but all accumulated expenses. And because at his investment level he is not investing but being scammed he should sell out as soon as the first opportunity presented itself. However, there is a story about Spinoza with an old woman complaining to him that she was quite happy with god and couldn’t see any reason to change. As I recall the story Spinoza said something like it was good for her to be happy with her god and she should not change. That for her being content in her latter life was more important than being right. I’m with Spinoza on this one. As long as this does not involve more than a few small percentage of his pie, if Phat is happy with his investment, that comfort may be more important than the potential loss.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Well it certainly stunted your intellectual growth as witnessed by your inane response.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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kjsimons writes:
Yes, you may well have a point - my IQ has been measured as less than 10 and I do have a fragile, eggshell mind. Well it certainly stunted your intellectual growth as witnessed by your inane response.Edited by Dredge, .
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
... my IQ has been measured as less than 10 and I do have a fragile, eggshell mind. Yes, you said you were catholic. We got that.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Percy Member Posts: 22499 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I understood Phat to be saying that he'd already demonstrated sufficiently strong belief to convince you he's right, and claiming that further demonstrations of the strength of his belief such as giving up all his worldly possessions are unnecessary to proving he's right.
So I responded that if people don't find the strength of belief of suicide cults convincing, why should his small declarations here be seen as convincing? Actually the suicide cults were very convincing about one thing, and that is the power of belief to make people do crazy things, which I think is how a lot of us see Phat. About the other comments, there's nothing wrong with investing as a hobby, but Phat lives in a fantasy world, and I for one don't think he can manage it properly. He certainly can't manage his health properly, something a lot more critical and despite having full health care coverage, so I doubt he can manage his gold obsession. His posts even imitate the form and style of the worst creationists by failing to understand something but criticizing it repeatedly no matter how many times it's explained, like fiat currency and the gold standard. I see Phat as a hopeless cause. No matter what we do he will continue to burden himself with preventable diabetes related health conditions while distracting himself with foolish investments that drain his funds. --Percy
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Your profound wisdom and knowledge seem super-human.
Dredge, you really don't want to tell anyone of these "experiences" of yours. They really are a result of coincidence and to claim supernatural origins is, indeed, a result of mental defect. Especially the "full on vision" episode which involves delusional hallucination and requires the intervention of a psychiatrist. To be clear, it is not only the delusional hallucination episodes that are the great concern here but that you hear voices and see visions that tell you to do things and you do them. That is the story of every murderous religious psychopath in history.If you continue to insist they are real then you could lose your job.
That would be terrible.
No one wants a demented religious wacko on staff.
So true.Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Wow. That's heavy ... and deep. Thank you for that amazing story.
I could tell YOU a story: In 1973, I was working with another fellow up at the lake - fifty miles from nowhere - in the dead of a Saskatchewan winter. At quitting time, the car wouldn't start. It turned out that the spark was shooting through a hole in the distributer cap and shorting out against the engine. We had a key to the one building that had a fireplace and we were contemplating spending the night when a car came down the hill. A friend of my co-worker happened to be in the area and decided to drop by to say hello. We hitched a ride back to the city with him. I would call that ... a coincidence. If your vision came true, I'd be impressed.
It did come true - almost immediately. Be impressed - I certainly was. But the voice was more impressive, because it saved my life.
You must be a really evil miscreant if you're not allowed to say "story".
I reckon! No doubt, my punishment is right, just and thoroughly deserved.
Try "teddy bear".
teddy bear
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Dredge Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Got any idea how many hospitals and charities the Catholic Church has created worldwide?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
So how many gay-stompings, botched coat-hanger abortions and kid-fiddlings is each of your donated indulgences supposed to cover?
Forgiveness for three pedephile priests in exchange for each soup kitchen?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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EWolf writes: What do we do about the fact that we were told that God exist? The same thing we do with all things we're told.If it's not too important... accept it, or don't, and check it out if it ever does become important. If it is important... check it immediately.And, since we've looked for God - and never, ever found Him - I know that God does not exist. If we find a sand castle on a beach we know its builder exists. Yup.The same with biology - if we find structures that look and act just like all the other naturally evolved structures we've seen, then we know no builder is required for biological structures. Where did our worth, dignity, and our right originate? Our ability for self reflection - which is something that developed naturally as our brains developed into more social and complicated biological structures.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Got any idea how many hospitals and charities the Catholic Church has created worldwide? Far too many. Creating hospitals to provide health care -- that would be good. Restricting what health care is provided, in order to conform to their theology -- terrible, and abusive.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Got any idea how many hospitals and charities the Catholic Church has created worldwide? A few times on this forum I've shared the story of Gary, a friend from church. In college he had been a fundamentalist Christian. Surrounded every day by evidence that contradicted his beliefs, he had to maintain a blind eye all the time to filter out reality. That took a heavy toll on him so one day out of exhaustion he applied the Matthew 7:20 Test to his religion. Yes, it did so some good things like hospitals and charities, but it also did many bad things. And in presenting the Matthew 7:20 Test Jesus did stipulate that even one single bad thing produced by a religion makes the entire religion evil. So he became "a complete atheist and total humanist" (his own words) and is far more spiritually fulfilled than he had ever been as a Christian, far more than he ever could have been. Hitler's Nazi party did a few good things too. Got people to work, supported families, took in unwed mothers and helped them raise their babies. Does that make Nationalsozialismus a good thing that's worthy of being not only preserved but also promoted? In the Matthew 7:20 Test Jesus was very uncompromising: even just one single wicked consequence of a religion makes the whole religion wicked. Totally black and white, not one single hint of gray to it. Your "hospitals and charities" count for nothing to Jesus. On progressive radio regarding the recent anti-abortion anti-life advances in the USA, a caller related the story from 30 years ago of a friend whose fetus had died. She was bleeding and would have died soon if that dead fetus weren't removed. Her husband took her to the ER of a Catholic hospital and they refused to treat her because that would have been an abortion. They were literally willing to let her die in agony. Her husband had to search desperately for a hospital that would save his wife's life and thankfully succeeded. Similarly, an acquaintance and fellow atheist and fellow Air Force veteran had been homeless. One of the charities he encountered was a Christian charity which rejected him because he would not go along with their proselytizing efforts. A Christian charity is not an actual charity but rather part of their proselytizing mission. The only charities that I donate to must be explicitly non-Christian. Funny note on that. In Germany and Austria my friend booked us to stay at a couple Catholic monasteries that had converted one of their wings into a hotel. At one in Bavaria we looked at their chapel which had a number of donation boxes for various of their causes. I wouldn't go near the ones for their various missions, but I did make a donation to repair work on their organ -- I could not support their proselytizing efforts, but I could support music. Then a few months later on a British show the vicar took a position contrary to a character who remarked "I should have contributed more to the organ fund!" Dammit! I fell for their insidious trick!
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Then I bet you'd be really impressed by a 1972 Ford Galaxie. But the voice was more impressive, because it saved my life.Edited by ringo, . "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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