Does any evolutionist know why humans can't produce giraffes as descendants?

I doubt that this topic will be allowed because if an evolutionist can explain WHY humans don't breed giraffes as descendants, then they'll KNOW why apes can't breed human descendants. But since truth, common sense, rational thinking, a BASIC understanding of the birds and the bees, and good contact with reality aren't allowed on this forum, then I doubt that this topic will be either. Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.

I'm afraid that you are correct in stating that I, at least, (others may give a second thought to it) won't be allowing thisIt makes it so obvious that you have no clue about evolutionary biology and would not be able to carry on a polite, reasoned discussion of the topic so there is not good starting it.When you demonstrate an ability to actually:
stay on topic
discuss politely
back up your assertions with facts and reasoning
answer those who spend considerable time giving you facts and reasoning
and
show an ability and willingness to learn
then, perhaps, we'd welcome topics from you.You may, of course, choose instead to exhibit some paranoid delusions and decide that people here are afraid of your immense reasoning powers and deep knowledge of the subject.

Hi Refpunk,My opinion is somewhat similar to Nosy's. This is a discussion site, but you're instead using it to make assertions that to many appear to be incorrect. When challenged or when presented correct information, you've replied by repeating your assertions, or by declaring the correct information to be wrong, or by ignoring it. Rule 4 of the Forum Guidelines states:

4. Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

We're not trying to discourage your participation, but the Forum Guidelines are designed to encourage intelligent and constructive discussion. If you continue to work counter to this goal then you will find participation here unrewarding.There are several creationist moderators: AdminPhat, AdminNJ and AdminBuzsaw. I've requested that one of them try to work with you, but none of them has responded as as yet.

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Sorry, but claiming that I know nothing about ecolutionary biology negates your whole theory because you then deny:1) That apes bred human descendants
20 That apes turned into human descendantsTherefore, since that's how I udnerstand evolutionary biology and you deny it, then you have no theory left. So by your denial that apes turned into human beings, then you yourself have proven your whole theory to be a hoax, and by your own words, no less. It can't get any better than that. Edited by Refpunk, : No reason given.

Hi Refpunk,You're arguing against an incorrect understanding of evolution. I'm not even sure what this means: Evolution does not hold that apes bred human descendants, nor that apes turned into human descendants. We agree with you that those are silly positions.If what you're trying to say is that evolution believes that humans and other apes such as gorillas and chimpanzees share a common ancestor, then yes, that is one valid conclusion of evolutionary theory. If you'd like to argue against that part of evolutionary theory then that would be fine. please let us know.

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Hello, Refpunk. I am one of the creationist moderators here at EvC and have my own beliefs and points of view. Allow me to share a bit of it in order to perhaps encourage you to think about other ideas for topic discussions.

I believe that there was and is a Creator of the universe. It makes more sense to me to believe that In The Beginning God initiates rather than not. Our Forums here are divided into two halves...a Science side and a Faith/Belief side. I usually stick to the Faith/Belief side.

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I have respect for science and for those who have studied it. Be the discipline Cosmology, Biology, or even Psychology and/or Linguistics, I have grown to understand that these people are not merely pawns of Satan in a gigantic classroom of deceit. Furthermore, it has been argued here that many of the Christians who believe that the Bible is wholly inspired and without error are oftentimes ignorant of their own religions, but I am a Christian and have seen many of the arguments to the contrary.

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So I guess what I want to say to you is that I believe that God exists, that Jesus is Gods Son and human character and is also alive today. I have no problem with evolution and it does not threaten my beliefs at all. Few people at EvC agree with me either, but that never stops me from having fun and respecting the beliefs of others as I learn and grow here.

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Add By Edit: If you would like to have a chance at expressing yourself and your beliefs, you can have a Great Debate with me. Keep in mind, however, that I am more of a Faith/Belief type guy and less of a Science guy....so let me know what you want to discuss.

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