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Author Topic:   Why Lie? (Re: Evolution frauds and hoaxes)
Dont Be a Flea
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Message 91 of 346 (469625)
06-06-2008 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by bluegenes
06-06-2008 1:01 PM


Re: Oh Whoopee, I'm a flea.
You are? My name says DON'T be a Flea....

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Message 92 of 346 (469626)
06-06-2008 2:14 PM
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06-06-2008 1:19 PM


10 Frauds
LucyTheFraudulentApe writes:
Here's one or two. I'll start a list.
Here's some for you, Lucy.
10 Frauds

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bluegenes
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Message 93 of 346 (469628)
06-06-2008 2:20 PM
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06-06-2008 2:11 PM


Flea writes:
Or perhaps a deliberate misrepresentation of a drawing of what a fossil looked like to further a belief, or a writing that misrepresents what the fossil is.
The guy, Osborn, said the drawing was rubbish or fantasy or whatever. But he thought the pig's tooth was human. Lots of other experts did not. There was no big conspiracy to fool the public, and humans evolving in North America has never been the evolutionary view, has it?

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bluegenes
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Message 94 of 346 (469629)
06-06-2008 2:23 PM
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06-06-2008 2:12 PM


Re: Oh Whoopee, I'm a flea.
Flea writes:
My name says DON'T be a Flea....
I've re-Christened you. Flea suits you. You're welcome to use the picture as an avatar.

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Message 95 of 346 (469630)
06-06-2008 2:37 PM
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06-06-2008 1:19 PM


Re: Forgeries
Foot print fraud
And more, Lucy.

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Message 96 of 346 (469631)
06-06-2008 2:43 PM


And the famous Paluxy fraud. Why lie? Flea asks in the O.P.
http://www.geocities.com/...Canaveral/Hangar/2437/paluxy.htm
{ABE}And EvC's own dating expert RAZD exposes a fraud here
Dr. Batten is a fraud, a scam and a con, pretending to tell the truth to gullible people who want to believe a delusion, when in fact he is hiding the truth, misdirecting the issues and misrepresenting evidence
Edited by bluegenes, : marked addition

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Message 97 of 346 (469633)
06-06-2008 3:03 PM


Massive Ongoing Paleontological Museum Fraud. Why Lie?
The biggest museum/dinosaur fraud ever. And it's still going on!!
See Massive $27,000,000 ongoing fraud here

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Kapyong
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Message 98 of 346 (469654)
06-06-2008 6:06 PM
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06-06-2008 2:11 PM


Re: The tooth of our omnivorous relative.
Hiya,
quote:
dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
for·ger·y /frd’ri, for-/[fawr-juh-ree, fohr-]
1. the crime of falsely making or altering a writing by which the legal rights or obligations of another person are apparently affected; simulated signing of another person's name to any such writing whether or not it is also the forger's name.
2. the production of a spurious work that is claimed to be genuine, as a coin, a painting, or the like.
3. something, as a coin, a work of art, or a writing, produced by forgery.
4. an act of producing something forged.
Or perhaps a deliberate misrepresentation of a drawing of what a fossil looked like to further a belief, or a writing that misrepresents what the fossil is.
Incredible.
First you present the standard definition for "forgery" - which does NOT include what happened with Piltdown.
Then you ADD your own personal addendum to the definition as if that changes the word.
Piltdown was NOT a "forgery".
So you just tried to CHANGE the definition of the word "forgery" to avoid admiting you were wrong !
Wow.
Don't think I have EVER seen such dishonest chutzpah before.
Iasion

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Dont Be a Flea
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Message 99 of 346 (469655)
06-06-2008 6:14 PM
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06-06-2008 6:06 PM


Re: The tooth of our omnivorous relative.
I added my own opinion obviously apart from the dictionary entry. Did you honestly think I was trying to pass off what I added as part of the definition? Seriously?

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Dont Be a Flea
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Message 100 of 346 (469656)
06-06-2008 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by bluegenes
06-06-2008 3:03 PM


Re: Massive Ongoing Paleontological Museum Fraud. Why Lie?
Hey Bluegenes, you are changing the subject. Stick to this thread or start your own. One accused fraud or proof of one does not negate another.

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Dont Be a Flea
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Message 101 of 346 (469657)
06-06-2008 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by bluegenes
06-06-2008 2:43 PM


Once agian...
This is not a thread about proving creation. This is also not a thread about creation hoaxes. This is a thread entitled “why lie?” and is a thread on lies that have happened in evolution. You cant say becuase some creationist have lied, that it negates or takes away from evolutionist that have lied. If you want to make a new thread on creation lies, then submit it to the admins for approval and please keep with this subject.

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Message 102 of 346 (469658)
06-06-2008 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Kapyong
06-06-2008 6:06 PM


Forgeries
Piltdown was NOT a "forgery".
Of course, Piltdown was, in any reasonable use of the word a "forgery".
It was the production of a spurious work that is claimed to be genuine. Or in this case, set up so someone would believe it was genuine.
It was a forged palentological find. I don't see what else you could call it.

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bluegenes
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Message 103 of 346 (469661)
06-06-2008 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Dont Be a Flea
06-06-2008 6:18 PM


Lies, frauds and hoaxes are in the topic title!
Flea writes:
Hey Bluegenes, you are changing the subject. Stick to this thread or start your own. One accused fraud or proof of one does not negate another.
I thought your O.P. was about fraud? Of course one accused fraud or proof of one does not negate another. Who suggested that they did?
You mention frauds like Piltdown man and the Chinese fossil Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis which were certainly intentional frauds, and I'm trying to help you find some more.
You also made the (dubious) claim that a museum was still misleading you last year about the Archaeoraptor, and that reminded me that there are museums that mislead their visitors, like the one in Kentucky that presents scenes of Dinosaurs living alongside our own species.
As you express concern for such things in the O.P., I assume that they are on topic.

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Message 104 of 346 (469662)
06-06-2008 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by NosyNed
06-06-2008 6:33 PM


Re: Forgeries
Of course. I think that poster must be confusing Piltdown with Nebraska man, which was a mistake (although rather a silly one).
Edited by bluegenes, : No reason given.

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bluegenes
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Message 105 of 346 (469664)
06-06-2008 6:47 PM
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06-06-2008 6:30 PM


Re: Once agian...
Flea writes:
You cant say becuase some creationist have lied, that it negates or takes away from evolutionist that have lied.
And I didn't say that, did I? Damn, boy, why you're complaining about fraud, I don't know. Don't put words into other people's mouths. Use the quote facility if you want to argue against something that I actually have said.

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