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tymygy
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Message 1 of 5 (446050)
01-04-2008 7:15 PM


Erosion:
You know when it rains, 30% of the water runs into the oceans. As it runs in it brings with it not only salt, it brings with it soil. The mountains are eroding; everything is washing away. At the current rate of erosion, the continents will be flat in 14 million years. [text has been rearranged for clarity] ..... If the fossils are really millions of years old we have a problem because the continents would have eroded away 5 times since the dinosaurs were here. How come we still find their bones on land? No, erosion rate proves it is not billions of years old. .....
Helium in the Atmosphere:
The amount of Helium 4 in the atmosphere, divided by the formation rate on earth, gives only 175,000 years. (God may have created the earth with some helium which would reduce the age more.)
Ocean Sediment:
A relatively small amount of sediment is now on the ocean floor, indicating only a few thousand years of accumulation. This embarrassing fact is one of the reasons why the continental drift theory is vehemently defended by those who worship evolution.
Population Growth:
In 1985, the world population had 5 billion people in it. In 1800, there was only one billion. Just 200 years ago, only one billion people. Population is growing rapidly, nobody argues about that. Everybody agrees that about 1800 there was one billion people in the world. I have never seen anybody disagree with this. All the textbooks and population statistics indicate about 1800 there was one billion people in the world. What they do not do, though, is put it into perspective and say wait a minute, the earth cannot be billions of years old, there are not enough people here.
Spinning Galaxies:
So, let’s look at a few more facts from science here. The galaxies are spinning. They are turning around. But the stars in the middle of the galaxies are going faster than the stars at the outside, which means if the galaxies were billions of years old, they would have lost their spiral shape and yet all of them are spiral shaped galaxies.
Saturn's Rings:
The planet Saturn has rings around it but the rings are moving away from the planet, they are gradually expanding out. They cannot be billions of years old; they would have been gone by now. When voyagers sailed to one of the rings of Saturn, they said it looked like it was braided. They said Man, all these particles are in motion. You cannot keep that finely, braided texture from millions of years. Probably less than 10,000 years is a reasonable estimate. .....

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Message 2 of 5 (446057)
01-04-2008 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by tymygy
01-04-2008 7:15 PM


A P,R.A.T.T. topic
These are all P.R.A.T.T.s (Points refuted a thousand times).
I'm not at all sure we need another one right now.
In addition we try to keep each thread to a single topic and you have half a dozen here. You have to pick one topic for each thread.
You might do well to use the search function (or google restricted to this site) and see if you can find answers to these before you continue with them.
I will not promote this until you finish with the statistics opening post and demonstrate a willingness to debate in good faith. This is because we have a lot of experience here with people copying lies from creationist sites and not being willing to put the effort in to discussing and defending them after others have gone to the trouble of explaining how these are wrong. You'll find those explanations on this site if you go to a little bit of trouble.

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Message 3 of 5 (446061)
01-04-2008 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by tymygy
01-04-2008 7:15 PM


Copy/pasting
I'm not as anti-cut/paste as some of the other admins, but you could at least give credit and a link to where you got this stuff (there are probably many sites that each contain those "proofs").
Each of your "proofs" could be an individual topic. Collectively, they are too many diverse topics to be in one forum topic. I suggest you pick one of your favorites and post that as a new message in this "Proposed New Topic". If it flies as a topic, that individual message can be spun off as message 1 of the new topic.
Your "proofs" are such that get filed under PRATTs (Points Refuted A Thousand Times). You might want to look at the site IBSS - The Bible and Science - How Old is the Universe? to see a long list of such "proofs" and refutations - A "call and response" between Kent Hovind and (Paul?) Meyers.
Comments from other admins certainly welcome.
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It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon.
There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
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Message 4 of 5 (446165)
01-05-2008 12:08 AM


I heard these from Bob Dutko a radio host from Detroit... he has these "Top Ten Proofs" series that involve young earth (witch i got these from) evolution, thestic evolution, dinosaurs, proof of God etc. and i have listened to them dozens of times.. i have the facts. I would like somebody to try to dispute against me.
Edited by tymygy, : unneeded comment

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Message 5 of 5 (446169)
01-05-2008 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by tymygy
01-05-2008 12:08 AM


Remarkably precise Kent Hovind quotes
For having heard them on the radio, you have done a remarkably precise job in quoting the material.
Most of your proofs (I didn't see the Helium one) are word for word on this page of material, credited to "Kent Hovind's Creation Seminar".
Pick your favorite one of the "proofs" and post your material as a new message in this topic. You might also want to add additional material.
Meet that guideline and I'll spin-off that message to become the new topic. But you must narrow it down the just one theme.
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It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon.
There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot.
Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source

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