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Shield Member (Idle past 2863 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Texas legislaters are trying to get a bill through that basically gives creationist institutes the right to give out Master of Science degrees without any of the regulations requirede by real educationel schools/colleges and universities.
The bill can be found here:http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/...billtext/html/HB02800I.htm Fox News and discover are also covering this:http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/...-haha-degree-hahahahaha Texas | Fox News Edited by rbp, : No reason given.
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Larni Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Ya!
I'm going to go to Texas for an easy Masters! Maybe Dumbfuckistan is becoming more a reality? Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
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shalamabobbi Member (Idle past 2850 days) Posts: 397 Joined: |
Maybe the masters will be used to qualify to teach sunday school in the state of Texas..
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Son Member (Idle past 3831 days) Posts: 346 From: France,Paris Joined: |
Maybe i should go to Texas. I want a master too but I'm too lazy to work to get one...
I hope this law pass,when everyone masters from Texas won't be able to get a good job outside of Texas,it will scare most politicians from ever thinking about "teaching the controversy".
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shalamabobbi Member (Idle past 2850 days) Posts: 397 Joined: |
Can we hope for arguments put forward for creationism that are more challenging than the following then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th7wr9KMu-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4 Maybe that is the motivation behind the approval..
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Taz Member (Idle past 3293 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Or we can find an in-the-closet case. Can we spell out homocreationist?
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
LOL, it is sad but true that my brother works for Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort at WOTM. I actually got in a heated argument with him a while back about the ridiculousness of Ray's bannana argument. I made the suggestion that they should at least have a paid scientist on the staff to screen their creationism ideas before making a mockery out of themselves. Unfortunately, he took offense to that. I have to tread on very thin ice with him concerning the whole evolution vs creationism bit (actually I avoid the subject all together) .
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Stagamancer Member (Idle past 4917 days) Posts: 174 From: Oregon Joined: |
I really find amusement any time creationists use food to "disprove" evolution since pretty much everything we eat from cows to wheat to bananas has been modified from it's wild type by artificial selection. I know science education in this country could be better, but the fact people are persuaded by these silly arguments makes me weep for the lack of proper history instruction in the classroom.
We have many intuitions in our life and the point is that many of these intuitions are wrong. The question is, are we going to test those intuitions? -Dan Ariely
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
I really find amusement any time creationists use food to "disprove" evolution since pretty much everything we eat from cows to wheat to bananas has been modified from it's wild type by artificial selection. I know science education in this country could be better, but the fact people are persuaded by these silly arguments makes me weep for the lack of proper history instruction in the classroom. I place as much if not more blame on the parents than the schools at is the parents responsibility for the education of their child. If my daughter is not being taught at school correctly it is my civic duty to challenge the school/school board. If more parents would do this, instead of copping out and neglecting there child's education we would not be in the sorry mess to begin with. If there was only one thing I can could teach my child, it would be to always seek to better themselves through self discipline and self-education. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1406 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If more parents would do this, instead of copping out and neglecting there child's education we would not be in the sorry mess to begin with. Isn't this just what the fundamentalist christians are doing? The problem is not just parent involvement, but informed educated parent involvement. The plain fact is that most people know less than the teachers and many are willing to defer to them on this regard. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Isn't this just what the fundamentalist christians are doing? The problem is not just parent involvement, but informed educated parent involvement. Yes, that is what I mean. Ignorance is self-perpetuating (from generation to generation) if the cycle is not broken by education. I also believe that being educated in history is as important as being educated in the sciences so we can learn as a species and not continuously repeating the same damn mistakes. So many people are trapped in there little religious short-sided worldview that they are doing irrevokable harm to our prodegy. The scientific and historical ignorance in this country is appalling and I am afraid if we don't do something about it, that the US will become just another once technologically great civilization disolved to obscurity, in the annals of human evolution. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
We've sorta been through this, but there are two big issues with the "bananas are the atheist's nightmare."
First, the "clearly they didn't do any research" issue: The banana that you get in the grocery store is a product of years of selective evolution. The banana you get in the store, for example, doesn't have any seeds: They've been bred out. You get new banana plants via cloning. The current common banana variety is the Cavendish. The previous common variety was the Gros Michel, but it was wiped out by Panama disease. The entire variety? Yes...they're all clones because humans have evolved them for their eating properties, not their ability to reproduce. There is a current infestation in the Cavendish and it, too, appears that it may become wiped out. Second, I don't know about his hand, but I've got more than five kinks in my grip. Starting at the tip of my index finger, there is the joint behind the nail, the joint in the middle of the finger, and the point right where the finger base meets the palm. That's 3. Curving around to the thumb, I've got another kink where the lines on the palm of my hand reach the edge (the "head" line from palmistry), the base of the thumb, and the joint in the thumb. That's 3 more. And of course, when I actually close my hand into a circle, there the spot where my thumb and forefinger meet, for another ridge. That's 7. What kind of a mutant freak is he that only has 5? Ooh, does that mean I can write a dissertation on how that's a sign of the Fall? The physical deformity of my hand is proof that I have been cursed. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
First, the "clearly they didn't do any research" issue: "The Way of the Master" which is Ray Comfort's Christian evangelism company has no science consultants and absolutely 0 real research (they just regurgitate and expound on Ken Ham-like creationist ideas). Normally they just stick to religious evangalism which I don't have any major beef with. However, when they attempt to critique and attack universally accepted science with unsubstantiated, unresearched, bogus, pseudoscience assertions as shown here, this is where they go wrong. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Stagamancer Member (Idle past 4917 days) Posts: 174 From: Oregon Joined: |
I place as much if not more blame on the parents than the schools at is the parents responsibility for the education of their child. If my daughter is not being taught at school correctly it is my civic duty to challenge the school/school board. If more parents would do this, instead of copping out and neglecting there child's education we would not be in the sorry mess to begin with. I agree completely. I suppose I should have just left off the "in the classroom" phrase from my post. We have many intuitions in our life and the point is that many of these intuitions are wrong. The question is, are we going to test those intuitions? -Dan Ariely
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 736 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I place as much if not more blame on the parents than the schools at is the parents responsibility for the education of their child. Yup. And the following quote is from Kyleen Wright of the Texans for Life Coalition, testifying before our august House of Representatives' Public Education Committee yesterday evening. A bill supporting "abstinence plus" sex education as opposed to our current "abstinence only" was under discussion:
You offend parents far less by giving less information than (by) giving (teens) more. And here Texas is in third place among the states in teen pregnancies. Ignorance ain't bliss.....
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