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Author Topic:   Unintelligent design (recurrent laryngeal nerve)
Dr Adequate
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Message 241 of 480 (564270)
06-09-2010 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by Big_Al35
06-09-2010 5:49 AM


Re: Wrong on the fundamental biology
Well, I don't know about you....but I am off bingeing before the world cup starts.
Fine. When you recover, remember that we are still waiting for one shred of a scrap of a shred of a scintilla of a soupon of a reason why we should think that your bullshit about the recurrent laryngeal nerve is true.
Just show me the evidence.

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hooah212002
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Message 242 of 480 (564894)
06-13-2010 4:15 PM


Definitely not for the faint hearted
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Big_Al35
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Message 243 of 480 (565964)
06-22-2010 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 222 by Coragyps
06-04-2010 10:42 AM


Coragyps writes:
Can we sum up the last couple of pages by saying that since giraffes have a longer, more stretched recurrent laryngeal nerve than humans do, they can sing better than humans?
What kind of stuff do giraffes like to sing?
I think some people are getting carried away with all this stuff about giraffes. So they have a fifteen foot laryngeal nerve....big deal....they also have a twelve foot neck. Which one of these is the poorer design. Almost every other herbivore makes do with eating grass and a reasonable size neck.
And you're worried about a fifteen foot nerve!!??

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lyx2no
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Message 244 of 480 (565966)
06-22-2010 9:15 AM
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06-22-2010 9:07 AM


Good and Bad
Almost every other herbivore makes do with eating grass and a reasonable size neck.
And giraffes don't have to compete with every other herbivore, which is good.
I'm betting if you'd just look up the meanings of the words "good" and "bad" this whole RLN as good design argument would evaporate.

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Huntard
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Message 245 of 480 (565967)
06-22-2010 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:07 AM


Are you admitting that the designer does some stupid things with this giraffe example?
I thought your whole thing here was to show that the designer wasn't a complete idiot?
Guess I was wrong.

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Big_Al35
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Message 246 of 480 (565968)
06-22-2010 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by lyx2no
06-22-2010 9:15 AM


Re: Good and Bad
lyx2no writes:
And giraffes don't have to compete with every other herbivore, which is good.
Sheep hardly compete with cows or deer if at all.

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Huntard
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Message 247 of 480 (565969)
06-22-2010 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:25 AM


Re: Good and Bad
Big_Al35 writes:
Sheep hardly compete with cows or deer if at all.
They already evolved to fill a specific niche.

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Big_Al35
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Message 248 of 480 (565971)
06-22-2010 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by Huntard
06-22-2010 9:19 AM


Are you admitting that the designer does some stupid things with this giraffe example?
This is missing the point. If a designer exists then he has every right to do stupid things with his creation just as he has every right to do clever things.
You are claiming there is no designer and that this is all the work of evolution. Actually you are not claiming anything at all because so far you have refused to give any indication as to what your views and opinions are. The evolutionary argument seems to simply consist of "where's the evidence".

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Wounded King
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Message 249 of 480 (565972)
06-22-2010 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:35 AM


This is missing the point. If a designer exists then he has every right to do stupid things with his creation just as he has every right to do clever things.
I take it this new direction in your argument is essentially a tacit admission that none of your previous claims actually have any evidence to support them whatsoever? Or are you still just protecting your sources from the evil evolutionist conspiracy?
TTFN,
WK

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Big_Al35
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Message 250 of 480 (565973)
06-22-2010 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Wounded King
06-22-2010 9:40 AM


I take it this new direction in your argument is essentially a tacit admission that none of your previous claims actually have any evidence to support them whatsoever?
No...the new direction is because its been a while since my last post and I forget what the old direction was.

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Huntard
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Message 251 of 480 (565977)
06-22-2010 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:35 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
This is missing the point. If a designer exists then he has every right to do stupid things with his creation just as he has every right to do clever things.
Of course he has. I'm not the one claiming the designer is such a great and good and smart (in fact, very intelligent, as you said in your very first post to this thread) thing. You are. And now you say he isn't. Do you agree with us now that the designer (if he exists) did some pretty stupid things, like the RLN?
You are claiming there is no designer and that this is all the work of evolution. Actually you are not claiming anything at all because so far you have refused to give any indication as to what your views and opinions are. The evolutionary argument seems to simply consist of "where's the evidence".
No, I asked you for evidence, because I thought your argument was bullcrap. So far, I seem to be right, as you have failed to provide any evidence.
My position is indeed that the RLN is a result of evolution. Since evolution isn't bound to what is a perfect design, it's only concerned with what is good enough.

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lyx2no
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Message 252 of 480 (565978)
06-22-2010 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:35 AM


Agreed
If a designer exists then he has every right to do stupid things with his creation just as he has every right to do clever things.
Which means, under the present circumstances, that there can be no evidence of design. Have you ceded your argument?
Edited by lyx2no, : Qualifyer.

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Big_Al35
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Message 253 of 480 (565980)
06-22-2010 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by lyx2no
06-22-2010 9:58 AM


Re: Agreed
Which means that there can be no evidence of design
If you believe that a mangled car is no evidence of design...then that is a matter for you and you alone.

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Huntard
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Message 254 of 480 (565981)
06-22-2010 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 10:09 AM


Re: Agreed
Big_Al35 writes:
If you believe that a mangled car is no evidence of design...then that is a matter for you and you alone.
We're not talking about mangled cars, now are we?

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lyx2no
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Message 255 of 480 (565984)
06-22-2010 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 10:09 AM


Re: Agreed
Sorry, Big_A. I edited my statement to qualify it before I saw your response. I'll explain: God could give evidence of design if he so choose. He could add a label for example. He either choose not to or he didn't design. As God can design any way he wants, we have no way of knowing which.
If you believe that a mangled car is no evidence of design...then that is a matter for you and you alone.
A mangled (why mangled?) car would be evidence for design. That is because cars have no method of developing without assistance. That is not true of mangled cats. It is your insistence that cats have no method of developing without assistance that you were attempting to supply evidence for. I thing you're losing the drift of your own argument.

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