God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.

Food for a starving child is not quite -a little thing- but thanks for the comments.Regards
DL

Oh I agree. However it seems that God would rather have humans deal with their own problems. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will feed his family. It seems abundantly clear that, miracles are not God's way of providing for humanity. Instead would rather have us find the solutions. Reminds me more of a parent, who tells the child the stove is hot, but will let them touch it, inorder for them to find out for themselves. That is not evil though. I think the greater evil, is bringing a child into the world that you know is going to starve. Don't shirk humanities responsiblity in the complicity of the matter.

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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

lol - nearly spit my coffee out here.
Suited up as well just in case ... He advised against the Tree of knowledge.
Fortunately, we didn't abide to that end.Unfortunately, we apply knowledge inefficiently.
Yet, naturally, knowledge will continue to increase. Completely ... Man has the knowledge of good and evil at his disposal.
Benevolence expects him to employ the good primarily.
Mankind, of course, is not required to do so at this time.
It remains, the planet sustains more than enough food for all on board.Miracles may be reserved for the moments man cannot be there ...
As opposed to the moments he chooses not too.If Eithopia relocated to Wisconsin, it may very well flourish.
Perhaps not, but with our vast resources and technologies there is obviously a way.
Our commitment for the pursuit of knowledge allows many transport options.
Practically unweighable amounts of food sit in the storehouses.When chasing and collecting gold become less important than humanity everyone eats. The God allows it at times as well seemingly.
Perhaps He is not communist 100 % of the time.Edited by Bailey, : spelling

Oh I give man all the blame. my God does not do miracles so I cannot blame Him.As to my statement in the OP, a miracle working God could as you say, do even better by teaching the parents of the starving. If He can do miracles and does not teach them then He is just as immoral.Regards
DL

ruehYou are right, miracles are not what God uses to help man. Scripture shows that most of the time that He uses miracles, it is to kill us.Regards
DL

BaileyWe see the tree of knowledge the same way. Most disagree with me on that one. Your thinking must be as right and as strange as mine. This is according to my critics of course. About me, not us.I do not agree with this though." The God allows it at times as well seemingly.
Perhaps He is not communist 100 % of the time"I have had the pleasure and pain of having touched the mind of God one time. When there I noticed that the demographic pyramid of heaven and God was pure communist. Only two levels. God at the top. All other souls below. Looking from the top it would look like a flat top with many different colored spiral spokes. Like a hypnotist would us. There is a name for that form but I do not know it. Souls are there jockeying for positions of influence as they do their work.God and heaven are communist 100% of the time.
I did not exactly -see- this because in that realm there is nothing to see but information is given directly to the consciousness.Regards
DL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

I agree. Evil is subjective of course, and I would subjectively view a god capable of seeing anything, and doing anything as evil if he let children and decent people in general starve, be raped, get tortured, and be killed. This stuff happens everyday in the world, so if there's a god, he is evil by my standards.If a person came up to me one day and told me that he was in the room while a couple of kids raped and killed a younger kid, while he stood by and watched but didn't do anything to prevent it, I would punch him in the face. He was fully capable of preventing suffering, yet he stood by and did nothing. A Christian, too would view this person as evil, yet when god does essentially the same thing, somehow many view him as "benevolent" and "perfect". Strange.The Problem of Evil (or Suffering) is indeed a problem for a benevolent, omni-everything god.

Thanks for that.I don’t mind the knowledge of good and evil. It give moral sense and gives us the ability to know God.It is the reality of evil and good that I mind. Especially the evil realities and woes that we suffer.If God is a reality, the miracle worker that is, then He should step up.
That or move aside and let, what was the first God anyway, man.Regards
DL

It is a basic part of any moral standard that it's not good to stand by and let evil go on right in front of you if you have the ability to prevent it.We brand people who do this as cowards.
Why not brand Gods the same way?
Or even worse, really... since they should have nothing to fear otherwise.From Message 30: Why? What's the difference between God preventing evil or you preventing evil?
Do you also hate and fear a world where you prevent evil?Are you against preventing evil in all forms?

A world where a god decides to whatever and everything it feels is right is a world where someone else calls the shots; where someone else's morality wins the day. It is a world without free human will. It's a dictatorship on a Universal scale.And it's only minorly tolerable if the god in question is decent and we agree with its morality. If the god in question ends up being the god of fundamentalist Christianity, or Allah, or even worse, then imagine the horror we would be living in.I don't want a world where some all-powerful being goes around doing what it thinks is right simply because it has the power to do so.The thought is frightening. At least for me.Jar probably has his own reasons And I know you asked him, but I thought I'd chime in.

Evil is a human construct, human creation, human problem and human challenge. Humans define evil and create evil and have the capability to do evil or not do evil. Evil is not an absolute and depends on the society and era, the mythos of a culture.Evil should be addressed based on its context and within the ethos of a given culture.

I agree. Again, easily agreed. And again, we seem to agree.My idea is more that the world can be better than it is. No need to go to extremes.Like, let's say this:You have a daughter (just an example, I have no idea if it's true or not).
She's going to be raped when she's 12 years old.
God can prevent it, you can't.
Your daughter would prefer it if the rape was prevented (...do I really have to clarify such a thing? )If your daughter is not raped, she will lead the rest of her life as she sees fit. It won't be a perfect life, but it will be hers and she'll die of old age when she's 96.
The would-be rapist will not get out of bed that day. The next day he'll go about his normal life afterwards, it will be full of other evil... it just won't include the rape of your daughter.If your daughter is raped, she will be forced down a road of doubt, confusion and depression. She won't be able to get a job. She won't be able to form relationships (even platonic ones). She will kill herself when she's 27 to end the pain.
The would-be rapist will go about his normal life which is full of other evils.There are no hidden or unforeseen complications to this example. No additional information of any significance. This is it.This God has restrictions and only this single rape meets all the criteria for God to be able to prevent it, it is not possible for God to interfere in our world in any other way, at any other time.Would you like to live in a world where God prevents the rape of your daughter?I would say yes, I would want God to prevent the rape of my daughter.
Anyone answering "no" to the above example would raise a hell of a lot of red-flags in my mind... it would be extremely confusing to me. It just doesn't make sense if you want to call yourself a "good person."I mean, look at the sort of "what if" scenario we're discussing... Gods, free will, structure of the universe...
There's no limitations on the discussion that God must either interfere with everything or nothing at all.
We can discuss limitations where certain things are restricted and others are not.Anyone unwilling to entertain such obviously "better" scenarios would seem to have some sort of alternative motive than "helping other people."So, if it's possible for us to think of obviously better scenarios for the world... why did God choose to make evil such a powerful force in this world? Why not entertain some of the obviously-better scenarios?Hence, my question to God.
Perhaps God does actually have a satisfactory answer. I certainly don't know everything. But, from what I do know, it certainly is quite possible to imagine a world that is better than this one.
So, is God not as powerful as my imagination?
Or, does not God not care about people as much as my imagination?I understand the fear of oppression from an unrestricted, all-powerful dictator.But we're talking make-believe here... imagination... is it possible to imagine an unrestricted, all-powerful dictator who does not become corrupted over time? Would such a being be a "God?" Could such a being make extremely minor changes/interferences with our world that would have monumental, obvious benefits such as the example I provided?

As Pascal said, it would help a great deal if the people who are always attacking and criticizing Christianity learned something about it first. You SEEM to be complaining about the God you think we are talking about. What if that God actually is the one that exists? And you have it all wrong?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I agree with everything you said, given that your initial statement is correct: If God exists, this statement is not necessarily correct. Therefore, the "context" of evil could possibly include more than humans. In such a context, what's wrong with a solution to evil involving more than humans?

If sin is the cause of evil in this world (the Fall), and therefore human beings are the cause of it, why do you all go on pointing the finger at God? Even if you can claim He's *ultimately* responsible you have no case against Him if the way the universe is run means that evil originates from the Creation itself and not from God, that sin is a reaction TO God and the resultant evil therefore inevitable because God can't change His nature. There is no sin or evil IN Him, it originates from the Creation in conflict with Him.