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Author Topic:   Please..who know about GARIAEV researchs?
Peter Gariaev
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Message 16 of 40 (474190)
07-06-2008 1:29 PM
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04-05-2008 8:31 PM


Gariaev Peter
Its not correct. See my site in respect our publications which included papers in Laser Physics, Quantum Electronics, Proc. SPIE, Tattva Viveca etc.
403.

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Message 17 of 40 (480273)
09-02-2008 4:07 AM


spam
Smells like spam
Edited by AdminNosy, : removed spam

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Message 18 of 40 (480294)
09-02-2008 9:01 AM
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Re: spam
you are mudak

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Message 19 of 40 (492924)
01-04-2009 12:09 PM
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Re: Gariaev Peter
I would like to propose a IDEE EUROPEAN PROJECT 2009 on the issue ;
SCIENCE -DNA- and MUSIC . I hope in your cooperation. Paolo Manzelli
pmanzelli@gmail.com Firenze 03/GEN/2009
Abstract :
-Paolo Manzelli ; www,egocreanet.it ; E&S - Laboratorio Ricerca Educativa

Paolo MANZELLI

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Peter Gariaev
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Message 20 of 40 (492931)
01-04-2009 1:42 PM
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Re: Gariaev Peter
I'm ready.

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Message 21 of 40 (492957)
01-04-2009 8:05 PM
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Re: Gariaev Peter
Your Wikipedia article (Wave gene - Wikipedia) has been deleted for being incoherent.
--Percy

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Message 22 of 40 (498083)
02-08-2009 1:11 AM
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01-04-2009 8:05 PM


Re: Gariaev Peter
So where can someone find information on this (incoherent or otherwise) written in english, before the information Nazi's decide we shouldn't have the opportunity to look at it ?

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Message 23 of 40 (498088)
02-08-2009 2:30 AM
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02-08-2009 1:11 AM


I'm calling shenanigans on this one....
Typical "cloud the point with obscurity" tactic. If they use big word and sound smart then maybe people will think they're on to something.
So where can someone find information on this (incoherent or otherwise) written in english, before the information Nazi's decide we shouldn't have the opportunity to look at it ?
Out of the broken links in this thread, I did find one to this pdf that worked for me:
ABE: my bad... actually, it was found through a google search on "gene wave"
http://www.edscuola.it/archivio/lre/DNA-MUSIC.pdf
Its full of mumbo-jumbo.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE

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Message 24 of 40 (498091)
02-08-2009 3:11 AM
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Thank you for the reply.
The problem as I see it is: what some people call incoherent is understandable to others.
For all we know, Gariaev could be to genetics the equivalent of what Nicola Tesla was to electricity, but it appears people on this forum, for what seems like personal reasons, decide to suppress the wiki page on his work.

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Message 25 of 40 (498094)
02-08-2009 3:19 AM
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visible writes:
The problem as I see it is: what some people call incoherent is understandable to others.
For all we know, Gariaev could be to genetics the equivalent of what Nicola Tesla was to electricity, but it appears people on this forum, for what seems like personal reasons, decide to suppress the wiki page on his work.
Nobody suppressed his work, it was truly incoherent. But if you want to read about his work go here: The English part of his site.
I hope you can make sense of it.

I hunt for the truth

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Message 26 of 40 (498135)
02-08-2009 11:33 AM
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What Gariaev work is attempting to do, could merge the fields of quantum mechanics with Genetics.
Imagine the difficulty of trying to explain this in a foreign language, let alone to people of the same language with a classical genetics mindset.
Tesla was not understood by people in his day, and today the entire field of electronics completely dismisses the mechanics of anti waves present at electrical ground.
Gariaev's work claims that DNA and certain enzymes interact with light. Thus properly prepared genetic code, can be copied with laser light into living cells via the Reverstase enzyme. Similar to the way we copy a CD or other electronic recording. While The old saying "Extraordinary claims do require extraordinary proof", rings true; I have witnessed other unrelated scientific breakthroughs and cures suppressed by the cartels running the medical industrial complex, and Oil Cartels.
Thank you for the link. I am including a translated page below that should be more coherent for people interested in his work.
Edited by visible, : No reason given.
Edited by visible, : No reason given.
Edited by visible, : clarity

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Message 27 of 40 (498136)
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Translated from | 404
20/04/2006 wave code of life. Peter [Gariaev]
Ether with [P].[P]. [Gariaevym] 20.04.2006 g.
[A].[M].: Good day, me they call Andrey [Martynov]. Today the theme of our transfer - these are the state of surprising and attractive science as genetics. In our [gostyakhdoktor] of biological sciences Peter Petrovich [Gariaev]. Peter Petrovich, good day.
[P].[G].: Good day.
[A].[M].: Peter Petrovich [Gariaev] - author of the book “wave genetic code”. In the preface to his book Peter [Gariaev] writes that in biology, and especially in its key part, genetics, came the time of the overestimation of values, and probably, it will have explosive nature. In other words, doctor [Gariaev] asserts that our ideas about genetics swiftly change. He proposed its version of genetics, which bears the name of wave genetics. In what a difference in wave genetics, which you do develop with your associates, from usual genetics, in which like everything is already deciphered?
[P].[G].: Usual genetics, in spite of all successes, which were, visited into some of degree into the blind alley. Why? Wave genetics works only with the substance DNA. All manipulations, which occur in genetics, begin from the fact that the molecules DNA play, are transposed by places and so on. From this are obtained any effects, in particular, when are placed strange genes in DNA, for example, of a plant or animal, and they look, which is obtained. Are obtained, it would seem, not bad things. But in reality all this concludes very badly. Why? I will explain. For example, transgenic potatoes. Is introduced the foreign gene, which synthesizes protein, ferment, which destroys the shell of Colorado beetle, and insect-pest it is not developed. It would seem, everything is good: potatos are much, and everything in the order. But, the surprisingly scientific, classical geneticists, whom I greatly respect, are obtained the unplanned things: in the potato such substances, which cause cancer of bowels, for example, in mice, are synthesized. Furthermore, perish the bacteria, that settle next to the tubers of potatoes, the earthworms and other living creatures, that surround plants, perish.
[A].[M].: I.e., scientists cannot count entire totality of effects from the introduction of trans-genes?
[P].[G].: Yes. It would seem, this is the unexpected effect; if we are based on the laws of classical genetics and model of the so-called triplet genetic code, everything must be in the order. It occurs, no. Why do appear such unexpected effects? Because the model of the genetic code, it would seem, acknowledged and approved, ceases to work. By itself the genetic code is, apparently, ideal, since we are living, otherwise we are not; but its model, formed in our heads, incomplete. Now set in the situation, when previous views eliminated themselves, and this model, which enjoyed gigantic success in the beginning of the 60's of past century, whose life they attempt to artificially prolong now, it became brake, moreover, it began to harm. Because, being based only on this model of the work of genetic apparatus, biologists could not predict the effects, about which it is said above. In the transgenic potatoes, the soya, wheat, corn - now hundred plants are transgenic - appear such substance- metabolites, which cannot be predicted from the point of view of classical ideas about the model of the genetic code.
[A].[M].: You propose another view on this problem.
[P].[G].: It occurs, the genetic code is arranged more complexly than we assumed. This is expressed in the fact that DNA is text, but not in the metaphorical, but in the literal sense. Therefore during the manipulations with the molecules of DNA transgenic engineers must consider this factor. The introduction of foreign gene can produce this effect. I will explain based on this classical example: “To execute, it cannot be shown mercy”. You place comma after word to execute - this is one sense, is afterward cannot - another. The transfer the only of comma changes completely sense. Therefore these texts of DNA possess semantic load, this is actual texts. Injecting DNA into the foreign genes, we obtain the completely unexpected effects from the positions of old views to genetics. This is one moment. Here I showed that the model of the genetic code was not complete, i.e., she it works to some of degree. But now it became not only brake, but also it harms people. Therefore transgenic manipulations, apparently, must be by some means blocked.
[A].[M].: But there the interests of giant corporations.
[P].[G].: This exactly is such bad moment, when business takes root and joins with the science, and scientific truth moves aside to the side. This is one moment, connected with the work of genetic apparatus and genetic texts. Second moment, closely related to the first. Visualize this situation: you have a videotape - this substance, but in this videotape as sound and light is convoluted. When you lose audio- video record, then you see image and hear sound.
[A].[M].: For this is necessary specially the device.
[P].[G].: Yes, for this is necessary special device. DNA is its kind of such of audio- video the record, where the text and image it is convoluted in this structure. I already spoke about the text: it cannot be so been turned with it, as transgenic engineers turn themselves with the genetic texts. The same relates also to the image. The fact is that this image is special - holographic, because control of this is required for constructing the complex organism with the complex three-dimensional packing, the structure. , In order to construct the organism of the human, plant, animal, is necessary certain plan- with this everything they are agreeable. But classical genetics does not understand, that this for the plan. Wave genetics, which I present (and many others, the workers in this direction), proves, that our chromosomes (or the chromosome of any highest biosystems, multicellular organisms) are arranged in such a way that they are liquid-crystal holograms. This joint genetic material is liquid-crystal chromosomal continuum. Such liquid crystals of DNA in the composition of chromosomes create the numerous dynamically changing holograms or holographic lattices by their topology.
[A].[M].: What hence consequences?
[P].[G].: Consequences are colossal. What such is hologram? When organism, reads it - chromosomes themselves read (they they emit the laser light of different wavelengths) - appear the means, which are electromagnetic light holographic constructions. The construction of organism occurs in accordance with this means. In order to construct this complex structure as men, is necessary the plan of two vectors - verbal and geometric. It is necessary to create some structures, which would simulate the structure of arm, eye, nose, foot, liver, kidneys, heart. Classical genetics about this nothing knows. Wave genetics proposes the very simple solution of problem, which is based on experiments, that DNA is hologram. And therefore with the playback - the reading of chromosomal apparatus - appear two means: the sonic or text and geometric, i.e., means of future person. But this does not mean that in the impregnated egg cell of future person - finished little fellow. The structure of organism goes in parts, in layers, gradually.
[A].[M].: In our [gostyakhdoktor] of biological sciences Peter Petrovich [Gariaev]. We continue to listen to the account of its own wave theory. Its book so is called “wave genetic code”. I will recall that you can send your questions concerning the address: 125040 Moscow, the radios of Russia, transfer “unknown planet”. Peter Petrovich, if you then rigidly do assert that the usual geneticists do not understand these things, then what results you could produce for these scientists?
[P].[G].: I only will complete. If do not consider such wave principles of coding genetic information in the holographic form, this leads to the tragic consequences. When foreign gene is introduced, changes not only text, but also the structure of packings in the composition of chromosomes. It changes hologram, means; does appear the completely new unplanned program, which does lead to the biosynthesis of the foreign substances, which do poison potato, barley, wheat, corn and so forth that does propose wave genetics in contrast to classical genetics? Being based on such theoretical constructions, which have physico-mathematical substantiation, we designed the laser equipment (actually quantum [biokompyuter]), which simulates wave text holographic and quantum nonlocal processes. I did not speak about one additional hypostasis: any genetic apparatus (into [t].[ch]. and man) has this special feature - the quantum nonlocality, when all cells of organism and all its chromosomes are connected instantly. But this is especially complex conversation. What does give to us this theoretical study? There is nothing more practical than the theory: it allowed us to design the laser equipment, which gives such possibilities, about which official genetics, embryology did not suspect. This is, perhaps, basic today reaching. We knew how to take and to use such matrix (it is, for example, the pancreas), i.e., the product of [millionoletney] evolution. The pancreas - is the most complex structure, which synthesizes many hormones, into [t].[ch]. and insulin. In the world about 100 million diabetics, who will understand that this it indicates. This is output not only for the treatment of diabetes, but also for the regeneration of organs. Why not regeneration? Using such equipment, which simulates [biokvantovye] processes in our chromosomes and in our cells, we knew how to count information from the pancreas of the newly born young rats and to transmit its [distantu], i.e., from the distance from 1[sm] to 20 km visualize: the relatively small equipment, by sight of simple, actually quantum [biokompyuter], at basis of which laser - this is laser technology; here there is nothing magic and wonderful, everything within the framework of physics. Such of [biokompyuter] proved to be capable of counting information from the pancreas of rat, of transmitting it to the distance of 1 cm, 3[m], 20[km] and another 20[km]. We four times repeated experiment in Toronto city in 2002.
[A].[M].: Where you did transfer?
[P].[G].: Three meters - this into the adjacent room in the laboratory. But 20 km - these were two machines, into which they planted rats sick with diabetes; they departed to the different sides up to this distance. Toronto city is powerful [zashumlen] by radio waves; therefore to represent that we communicated this information with the aid of the radio waves, it is impossible. Something another works in our processes. This something another - torsion fields, distances and there are no obstacles for them. This theoretically follows from those quantum models, which developed.
[A].[M].: I will only refine the nature of your experiment. You communicated information .
[P].[G].: From the healthy pancreas of rat (the same family) to the same adult rats, that were sick - in them the pancreas was destroyed by special poison .
[A].[M].: What did happen of the sick rats?
[P].[G].: All rats recovered. They have “gone off scale” sugar, they were on the eve of the loss. In all rats during 2-3 days the pancreas regenerated. This we verified and repeated in Nizhniy Novgorod. To me was connected the very strong group of the physicians, whom actually already without my participation (I simply it trained people it gave equipment) they repeated our experiment and they left much further. I now described only small part of the fact that we made - they regenerated this most complex organ as the pancreas.
[A].[M].: Is possible whether in the present or the future the application of these technologies for the regeneration of other organs, and why the precisely pancreas?
[P].[G].: Classical model: diabetes - this is most significant. We showed that there is no diabetes, the pancreas regenerated. In principle it is possible to regenerate all organs. Why this is important? This is important not only from the point of view of the treatment of diabetes, but also as the fundamental proof of the fact that it is possible to regenerate such complex systems as the pancreas. It means, it is possible to regenerate heart, and kidney, and the liver .
[A].[M].: But teeth?
[P].[G].: And teeth. By the way about the teeth. This was the thus far only experiment, which carried out one of the participants in the group in Nizhniy Novgorod on its own mother (it - candidate medical of sciences, it had to this right). We used laser technologies, laser with the permitted wavelengths; entire medicine now works with the red lasers.
[A].[M].: What does mean - with those permitted?
[P].[G].: If you with them will use a roentgen, then no one will permit you. But this is the range, which uses our own cells. So that it did come out? Its mom, by whom 60 years, it was sick with diabetes, and it has the complete absence of teeth, except one front. We planned to cure it by our technologies. Matrix we took not of the pancreas of the newly born child, but took the blood, in which is contained all genetic information. It is necessary to read and to give in the appropriate form. And for a long time - several months - we processed by such torsion irradiations, radiated by laser (this the basis of quantum [biokompyutera]), expecting that the diabetes in it will be cured. So it came out. But also very pleasant surprise waited us - in it began grow three molars. You represent - into 60 years, when all teeth are removed, and it bore prostheses, began grow teeth. The X-ray photographs, which showed the sufficiently strange increase, removed: these three teeth reached the surface of gum and ended grow. They sending a little obliquely, because it constantly bore prostheses.
[A].[M].: So this good or is bad? You spoke about the side effects, for example, in [genoy] engineering.
[P].[G].: There are no side effects here as yet. That they send obliquely - this is the consequence of the fact that it constantly bore “sucker”.
[A].[M].: I have in mind same this experiment on the recovery of the diabetes, which led you to the unexpected result.
[P].[G].: To unexpected, but good result. With the teeth - this was the unplanned experiment, while with the diabetes - this the fact that we conducted with animals. And it turned out that this it operates on the people. What this such, if we estimate in general form? First, the demonstration of the fact that we are right in our theoretical constructions. Secondly - this that we can in the future regenerate the arrived unsuitable organs and tissues in man. But which this does indicate? This indicates rejuvenation or braking of aging - gigantic problem, which always stands before humanity, and here we competitors do not have, because no one knows as to brake aging. In this case this came out.
[A].[M].: The discussion does deal actually with the immortality?
[P].[G].: I so did not say. Experiments are located in the very early stage. But to live 800-1000 thousand years, as lived noy and its sons, apparently, this is completely possible. Theoretically immortality is possible, because life - this in some sense the biochemical reaction, which can be prolonged as much as desired. It is only necessary to derive products and always to add initial reagents.
[A].[M].: In our [gostyakhdoktor] of biological sciences Peter Petrovich [Gariaev]. By the way, in the week we will continue with it conversation. Now I want to present the question. You constantly use words “torsion fields”, which have ambiguous reputation. In the Russian Academy of Sciences is created almost the special commission, whose members very aggressively say that this entire charlatanism and [zhulnichestvo] . Your version?
[P].[G].: Here I am forced to take root not in my region, because I am not physicist. Is good to invite Gennadiy Ivanovich Shipov or Anatoliy [Evgenevicha] [Akimova] - these are the highest professionals. I immediately bring apologies to physicists, and my version is only such: no one can explain our experiments fact that the usual electromagnetic fields are generated; are generated, apparently, torsion fields. Why? Molecules DNA, proteins, all metabolites, practically all chemical substances of cell - these are optically active structures. They revolve the plane of light polarization. This factor of rotation - key, because for creating the torsion field the element of rotation is compulsorily necessary. And in this sense, when I turned herself to [Akimovu] and Shipov (but I with them it was familiar more than 20- TI of years), it was said to me, that, probably, I deal concerning such attributes of genetic apparatus, which are torsion. We now tightly work in the contact with The [akimovym] and Shipov, they take densest part in the treatment of those elements, which were obtained. Much and by them to the end is not clear, because they are not biologists. But the synthesis of geneticists, biochemists, biologists with the physicists gives very powerful effect. For example, we have this reaching - we actually made a laser model DNA. And this the Japanese confirmed.
[A].[M].: Laser of DNA?
[P].[G].: Everyone argued: are DNA or chromosomes by laser? We this demonstrated. In 1996 we published article. In 2 years in 2002 the Japanese confirmed these results.
[A].[M].: We will continue in the week. Peter [Gariaev] in our guests. Your questions and commentaries you can send with the address: 125040 Moscow, the radios of Russia, transfer “unknown planet”. Our site in the Internet | —.
[Audiozapis] of transfer can be heard on the site of the radios of Russia
Edited by visible, : fixed spelling of Gariaev in article translation

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Message 28 of 40 (571565)
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Re: Answer
I agree with you 100%. There are several basic principle as follow:
1. Everything is energy
2. Energy is vibrating - have frequency
3. The vibrating energy have polarity and
4. Rhythmn
5. All anergy can be transmuted.
Let say a person have an illness. It means (1) the energy (2) vibrating in certain frequencies, (3) choosing a negative polarity and has a (4) rhythmn. iF SOMEONE IS ILL, MEANING THE ENERGY AND FREQUENCY IS NOT IN HARMONY WITH THE HEALTH FREQUENCY.
By transmiting (1) energy, with (2) right healing frequencies (that programmed in the biocmputer), the (3) polarity (illness) can be reverse to other polarity (healthy polarity) , and will result to (4) a healthy rhythmn..
A scientist in Jogjakarta Indonesia) developed a program to cure cancer that installed in the patient handphone. Then he calls the patient/receiver and let the patient hear a certain sound. After doing this in 2 weeks, the patient 100% cure from cancer.

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Re: Answer
Why do I have sinking suspision that 'radiana', 'visible' and 'back2swing' are all pseudonames for Peter Gariaev and that he is using this forum to gain publicity and spam people into replying to him?

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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Message 30 of 40 (612231)
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Re: Answer
Peter Gariaev writes:
your understanding wave genetics is primitive. Please see my site 403.
and our last publications:
Journal | April 2011 | Vol. 1 | Issue 3
Article
Wavegenetics
P.P.Gariaev*, N.V. Ustinova#
ABSTRACT
I express my sincere gratitude for my salvation. This is my story of my tragedy. I am Nadezhda Ustinova,was born in 1954, a doctor - a neurologist.In November 8, 2010 I have had a stroke, suffered the right half of my brain and my body was left half paralysed and very ill. The pain was so unbearable, I howled with pain. "ER" brought me to the hospital in Naas ( IRELAND). The doctors gave me tramadol ( this drug by the action of analgesia is similar to morphine)dose of 300 milligrammes! (Usual daily dose of 200 mg) brought no relief!. The nightmare lasted for 24 hours. There was fluid retention, I silicate. It was done a brain scan for me. In the photographs was discovered bleeding ..... 9 November, I turned to Pyotr Petrovich. My son sent me a photo where I was 3 years. Pyotr Petrovich in his laboratory laser reading information from a photo and made a sound program. Miracles began immediately after 10 minutes listening!! There was a feeling that my 2 different halves of the body put together! I have become one! " came a state of absolute happiness and bliss! I could normally move my arms and legs. Depressed mood has evaporated! I went to sleep healthy sleep and slept 4hours. There are no drugs to improve my brain, I did not get. 5 days later I had a magnetic resonance and it showed that I had no bleeding, no ischemia zone. Doctors were surprised!! But I said nothing ...... I listen to this program as early as 45 days. And my health is back to normal. In October 2008 and in 2010 I made out with a diagnosis of a disability - bronchial asthma, arthritis of the right knee joint. Due to the continuous use of prednisolone my weight was 122 kg. I walked with a crutch, shortness of breath, persistent pain, a terrible depression ..... And here I am! " - No paralysis! Without crutches! No inhalers!! Without any pain! " No Depression! I feel that I have returned to a happy childhood! I have lost 10 kg without dieting !!!!. I think that these audio programs of Pyotr Petrovich Garyaev real miracle! They provide emergency medical care and analogues on the quality of assistance provided is not. Improvement comes quickly, with a persistent effect! I'm happy! Once again bow to genius Pyotr Petrovich Gariaev!!

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