A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?

I see it all that you all are ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 peter 3:8.Its like God stopping the sun in the sky giving the victory to Israel. Joshua 10:1-15 The bible says to not be ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years. So actually a thousand years went by in 24 hours. It might be more understandable like a clock travelling at the speed of light and after it registers 24 hours a thousand years have gone by, or for those evolutionists that like science fiction like Jimmy Stewarts rabbit in the Movie Harvey that could stop time. God created time telling us through prophecy the end from the beginning. How pray tell do you all explain the stopping of the sun without time being stopped or slowed, or prophecy the telling of the ending from the beginning, etc...P.S. I had a personal experience with time dilation when golfing teeing the ball with my driver wound up to kill the ball to impress my opponent but instead I powered the ball to a tree close to me causing the ball to come back at me at incredible velocity. What happened was interesting because in my mind I saw the ball coming at my head in slow motion and slowly moved my head out of the way. I simply believe that to God one day is as a thousand years cause I had more than enough time to move my head when in real time I would of been beaned perhaps dead. But God knowing the end result of me being beaned slowed the golf ball time to give me time and this is how I see the earth 24 hour day is as a thousand years yet still one day , etc...Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Hi CS, It doesn't say the day before nor does it say the day after.It says "in the day the Lord God created the heaven and the earth". If the phrase "In the day of Jesus" is in the Bible I can't find it in my KJV or my Greek Bibles.Maybe you can help me out there. Where does it say that?I did find: All these scriptures are talking about the day of judgment. There is only one thing wrong with what you heard. The Hebrew text does not say that. It does not matter what I think about that or what anyone else thinks about that. It only matters what the text says.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi John,I have seen a lot of your rants and raves in posts, usually I just let them pass. John you need to quit reading like this. You mentioned somewhere about adding to or taking away. Who is speaking? PeterWhat is Peter speaking about? Peter is talking about scoffers who would come saying "Where is the promise of his coming?"Why is Peter speaking? It seems we are creatures of time. God is not limited by time, and Peter is trying to explain that as far as God is concerned a day is no more to God than a 1,000 years. He could have said a billion years and been right.That was the reason Peter said as instead of is.But it seems like Peter's explanation fall's on deaf ears when you read at it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

In scripture, a "Day" can equal a"Thousand years",2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,Re 20:4 and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Seventh day/Millennial reign)A "year",Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 X 7 = 490 years/each day = a year)or "24 hours,"Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (his Resurrection)The interpretation of the length of a "DAY" depends on the "CONTEXT" in which it's used.however there is no context given for the length of "DAY" in Genesis,and without a context, no one can be certain.Personally, I think Day was used to establish a "Pattern" rather than describe an actual length of "Time".

Yes, I know.I'm asking how you know that it is referring to "one exact day" in which God created rather than just a "period of time" in which God created? I didn't mean to imply that that was explicitly in the Bible, sorry for the confusion.It was just an off the cuff example.If it was written: "In day of ICANT, much discussion was at EvC."How would you tell if the was referring to one day or a longer period of time?Maybe the hebrews used different words for those two concepts? I dunno. There was a guy here before you came along that could read and write hebrew. He discussed the opening phrase of the Genesis to some extent. He concluded that it was something along the lines of a cliche like "Once upon a time" rather than talking explicitly about one specific day in time.I'll look around and see if I can't find the thread.Meanwhile, do you care to support your assertion that it doesn't say that?I believe his word over yours.

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ABE:Actually, forget it. You've discussed with him before. It was pretty bad, actually.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE:

Does Peter say one day is equal to a thousand years?You have only one thing in Genesis that determines the length of a day. The light period and the dark period. I don't see where the Bible says anything about the Seventh day/Millennial reign.Whose interpertation is that? This prophecy has nothing to do with the length of a day. Yes exactly 72 hours his body was in the grave. Unless you accept the Good Friday version. But there is context. There was one light period God called day and one dark period called night. The light period and the night period made up the first, second, third, forth, fifth, sixth and seventh days.Even though the first day started in the evening. There had been light at Genesis 1:1.We don't know exactly how long those periods were as the earth is slowing down in it's rotation making the duration of the light and dark period become larger by about 1.7 milliseconds per centry.So the day would be longer today than it was in the week found in Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3. You are welcome to your opinion as I am with mine. The only problem is neither make any difference with what really happened.Our opinion does not make anything true or false.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : Get rid of one Re

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

ICant,Your actually the one changing the wording of 2 peter 3:8 the akjv uses "as" not "is"! This is the part relevant to genesis if 2 peter 3:8 is referencing time dilation that one of our days is as a thousand years to God. God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end telling the end from the beginning.The akjv translation used "as" not "is" right? Why not use "is" if it makes more sense? but they used "as" due using "is" would of been altering the wording of the textus receptus. right? For whatever reasons they chose "as" not "is". You must be using one of those politically correct bible version not the akjv that says as cause is is politically correct, etc...P.S. I can only see from scripture that a day is either 1000 years or 24 hours. Adam died within the day he ate from the tree yet that day was not the 24 hour day. Prophecy means God knows the future meaning he is present in the present and the future why not the past. Like one of our 24 hour days as a thousand years is not all that hard to God and wonder if thats why the translators used as and not is. Like when God stopped the sun in the sky for Joshua was still shining yet if God can stop the earth rotation by stopping time why is it so hard to grasp that it might be part of what was happening in the genesis day that to God one 24 hour day is with the Lord as a thousand years? I could accept your point of view with is but unfortunately the translators used as and you have God stopping time for Joshua. right?Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

Hi CS, I am a literalistic. I do not try to make that verse say anything it does not say.It says, these. That means starting right here and going until finished.It says, Generations. That means records.It says, Of the heavens and of the earth.It says, in the day. Not the day before or day after. Not over a period of days. But the day they were created.I know there are those who want to make the 7 days of Moses in Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3 take place in Genesis 1:1. But you can not be a literalistic and do that. Because if it was more than one day it would be written days. They have plural words as well. If the writter had meant over a period of time he would have used days. You are refering to arachnophilia I presume.Yes we got into a few discussions. From what I gathered he was studying Hebrew for a particular version of the Hebrew Bible that dates to 1000 AD.
The only problem was that the text that the Septuagint came from was Armaic and Chaldee Hebrew which was a dead language a long before Christ.I have a degree in Hebrew and Greek. I don't know if I took them or they took me. The Hebrew I studied had no vowels markings as the one he was studying did. ‘ re'shiyth, feminine noun, the first beginning‘ bara', verb, root word, to create, shape, form— 'elohiym, masculine noun, plural, rulers, judges, divine ones. 'eth, particle, sign of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative. This is pointing out waht was created. shamayim, the heaven,as abode of the stars. 'eth, particle, sign of the definite direct object, not translated in English but generally preceding and indicating the accusative. This is pointing out what was created. 'erets, feminine noun, the whole earth.You have every Hebrew word in Genesis 1:1. The meaning of the Hebrew words are from Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon. Remember Hebrew reads right to left. You can put your own sentence together.Literal reading: The first beginning, created, divine ones, the heaven.The first beginning, created divine ones the earth.Easier to say: The first beginning created divine ones the heaven, the earth. You are welcome to believe anything you want to.I will not chase this rabbit any further.We were talking about the length of a day in Genesis.I believe the Genesis account specifies that from the evening and morning of the first day that there was a period of light and a period of darkness that made up the first day and every day thereafter.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi John,You missed part of the quote. Message 48
I was telling you to quit reading it with an is instead of an as.Notice the scripture says "with the Lord" it does not say with man.10 billion years is the same to God as a day is to us maybe less when you compare a day to eternity.So Peter was telling the people don't worry in His time Jesus will come back. I believe that but you don't. You believe Adam lived over 900 years.
You are talking about the man that was created in Genesis 1:27 that was never in the Garden, never even saw the Garden and did not eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But that is another discussion for a different thread. I believe God can do anything.If He wanted to stop time there is no problem.
If He wanted to put everything into suspended annimation no problem.I don't think it was necessary to stop anything. Alaska has a long dark period and a long light period. All He had to do was tilt the earth on it's axis and give Joshua a long day.Could the light part of day 2 be a 1000 years sure if God wanted it to be 1000 years. But then, what do you do with the dark part? Is it a 1000 years? Or do we divide it up as 500 year's of light and 500 year's of darkness?Being raised on a farm I really have a problem with the plants that was caused to grow from the seed that was in the ground. There is no sun and moon at that point. So you got a 500 year period of light, the plants would do ok with this but it is followed by a 500 years of darkness. How would the plants survive? I think that would be a serious problem. But I have been wrong before.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

ROFL! Go read it again: "So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day."That isn't what happens in Alaska.....

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Yes I believe Adam died at 930 years 70 years short of the God day and Eve is the mother of all living. The bible says differently that one day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. I'll conceed it was not a 24 hour day but a thousand year God day and that the light and darkness is referencing only that the planet was rotating. Can not beat your dark problem but the morning and evening is the God day. The rotating bringing light and darkness had nothing to do with the morning and the evening of the creation days because they were God days. Your assuming that everytime the earth rotated that it should be considered a creation day yet all its saying is that the earth was rotating so to beat your darkness problem with the God thousand year day! If it was a 24 hour day the earth would not of had time to bring forth the grasses genesis 1:12 and given were only given two kinds of days in the bible a 24 and a thousand year day it only makes sense that the earth is only 13,000 years old by the scriptures.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.

hey ikant,i don't have time for a proper reply now but i'm interested so i'll get bak to this later

John I have seen your arguments and I think I know what you believe.You believe the creation week was 7,000 years long and 6,000 years from then until now. Correct me if this is wrong.I just happen to disagree with your conclusions.As far as eternity is concerned it makes no difference. Man has to be born again to go to heaven. Whether it has always been here or only been here 13,000 or less years.I believe the heaven (universe) and earth have always been here in some form.If you disagree then please inform me when Genesis 1:1 took place.I believe Genesis 1:2 took place about 6,000 years ago.
Therefore I don't need any long periods of time or thousand year days that don't exist.
I believe every day from the evening when God divided the light from the darkness has been a period of light and darkness lasting about 24 hoursI don't have to twist any scripture to get those.We do have evidence of such a day. In fact we have 7 every week.So answer me this, Why would the days be different during the first week than they are now?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

The first three days of Genesis, the world was lit by "Spirit", as it will be on the new earth.Re 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.Unlike the sun, the spirit lights the whole world, regardless of "Rotation".Each part created on a certain day, establishes a "Pattern" that the earth will follow after sin enters.http://i32.tinypic.com/30a6dd1.jpgSo each time God said, "evening/morning" doesn't necessarily mean darkness fell on the earth, but that the pattern for that "DAY" was finished and a new one starting for the next day.God told Adam, "IN THE DAY" you sin, you die."Spiritually" Adam died the "instance" he sinned, however he lived 930 years, but nevertheless still died "IN THE DAY" he sinned, for a day with God is a "thousand years".No one has lived a thousand years on earth since sin entered, all have sinned, all have died "IN THE DAY".But the "Redeemed" (without sin) will live on earth a thousand years, and not die with Jesus. (M-Kingdom/Seventh day)As the prophecy with Adam showed, a single prophecy can have a "DUAL" application/fulfillment, one "Spiritual", one "Literal","Preterist" interpret prophecy Spiritually and say the tribulation has already begun, the church interpets it literally and say it's still in the future, few understand this "DUAL" application of prophecy.http://i25.tinypic.com/1znaptj.jpgThe promise to "Send Elijah" was "Spiritually" fulfilled in "John the Baptist",but it will "literally" be fulfilled when Elijah returns as one of the two witnesses during the trib.As with these prophecies, "Creation days" must be interpreted "IN CONTEXT" with those things to which they refer, the days after sin enters the world, not a length of time for creation as we judge time.I'm still looking for the "red arrow" to reply to a certain post, it's not on my XP pro IE brower, so I've having to use the "reply button",any help??? Edited by Me4Him, : No reason given.

So then why doesn't it read let there be spirit (whatever that is)?