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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The wealthy are not Republicans or Democrats but rather whichever promises to be profitable in the short run at that moment.
And a Civil War simply means another income revenue source. Edited by jar, : No reason given.My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I disagree. You cant be a Christian without knowing Jesus.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You disagree with what?
Phat writes: You cant be a Christian without knowing Jesus. What does that even mean Phat? You've never been able to even explain in a reasoned argument what that means. You don't even explain what your post has to do with what I wrote and to which you are responding or to the thread topic?. Who started this topic? Edited by jar, : hit wrong key. wanted preview.Edited by jar, : ^ or to the thread topic?. My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: I will answer your question if you answer mine. What does that even mean Phat? What does it even mean to throw God away? What does it even mean to throw Jesus away?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
What does it even mean to throw God away? What does it even mean to throw Jesus away? What does it even mean to throw Vishnu away? What does it even mean to throw Wotan away? Gods is gods. (borrowing from a catchphrase in a fast food commercial from the 80's)
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
xongsmith,on how to help the homeless writes: You liberals are so clueless! I suppose that you think the money to give away housing will come from the state. Thus, taxes will need to be higher so your secular liberal "church" can bring more voters into the Democratic ranks so that your hold on power (your most important thing) will continue. Give them real homes, jobs, schools and friendly neighbors and wait 20 years- then they will defend those homes & neighborhoods instead of burning them down. Wake up. The US is overextended already. Yes, help them some, but without a new outlook on life and therapy, they will simply use the government. (well to be honest, many won't and it will help them but some of them will waste the taxpayers dollars.) Look, I'm no fan of Tucker. He is indeed a turd. I'm also no fan of spending everyone's money and lulling them into a false sense that what they are doing is working. We need a more balanced government. Extreme liberalism is as bad or worse than extreme conservatism. If there is such an animal as an antichrist (The next Hitler) He/She will most likely be a rabid liberal. The jews will love him until he shows his true colors. And finally, I also blame the liberal side for instituting and defending fiat money. You guys would probably scoff at Apologetic explanations and actually support humans mandatorily backing the money. Full control for the leaders. Disguised as empathy and universal all-inclusive secular love. *Wake Up From Your Dream!*"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
All Deities are not alike. There is only one. As an atheist/secular humanist, you likely think that we all collectively make up our God by trying to be good and noble to each other. But I must run off to work...im spouting extremist nonsense. Back later
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: What does it even mean to throw God away? What does it even mean to throw Jesus away? Absolutely. Until you throw God and Jesus away you have absolutely no hope of ever following either. You need to throw away all of the fantasies you have created and that you worship and try to market. You are as a child, listening like a child, thinking like a child, understanding like a child. It's time to grow up and put your childish fantasies away, throw them away. Stop worshiping your Holy Jeeves; stop praying for the Deus ex Machina.
Your turn.My Website: My Website
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Phat writes: I will answer your question if you answer mine.What does it even mean to throw God away? What does it even mean to throw Jesus away? Lots of us have explained this to you many, many times over many years. But you don't seem to be terribly interested in the answer. Why not? Is there an answer from us that you'd prefer to accept? There are clues in your question of course, "throw god away". It's not like that. It's just a realisation that it was all only a story told to children. Nothing gets "thrown away". When that realisation occurs, the story remains but it's become just another story. We've many times said it's like Father Christmas - it really is. If you can remember what that was like, then you've got it. Why is that so hard to accept? Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
because honestly I'm not feeling it. The only hope for liberals is to accept a higher power. Same for conservatives. And no, it is not just a story.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: because honestly I'm not feeling it. The only hope for liberals is to accept a higher power. Same for conservatives. And no, it is not just a story. But it is just a story Phat. Look at your past posts and see how often you quote what Jesus is supposed to say (the lines in RED) and what is said by the story tellers that wrote the gospels and epistles. Clue; John 3:16 is not Jesus speaking. And what does either the message of Jesus or your fantasy of Jesus have to do with the topic? Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : remind Phat that to address the topic My Website: My Website
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Tangle writes: because honestly I'm not feeling it. What have you feelings got to do with it? I'm telling you about my reality, not yours. You want to to understand things like "throwing god away" you need to listen to those of us that have done it. Otherwise you'll continue being clueless won't you?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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All Deities are not alike. There is only one. Oh, not even close! We have created countless deities, far too many to ever count. Even among those who claim as a collective to believe on "only one", every single believer within that collective has created his own personal deity, but since everyone within the collective all claim that it's the same as all other members believe in nobody ever realizes that their own personal deity is different from everybody else's. Even Christianity has multiple deities and I'm not talking any Trinitarian nonsense here. And we repeatedly see "true Christians" called "creationists" zealously "serving God" with lies and deception and other mean nasty stuff which actual Christian doctrine identify as instead serving another Christian deity, the Lord of Lies.
As an atheist/secular humanist, you likely think that we all collectively make up our God by trying to be good and noble to each other. Ha! Right! Since when did "true believers" ever try to be good and noble about anything, let alone to each other? Also, you're lost in the muck and the mire of your sectarianism and so cannot see the big picture that an outsider can easily see quite clearly. I remember an epiphany I had talking with someone from a narrow "fundamentalist" congregation. Only she bristled immediately at being called that, since that applied to those apostates! It turns out that while all those myriad sects (Should we call them "Legion" for they are many? Please don't tell me that Bible reference went right over your head.) that are virtually identical to each other in almost every single way as to be indistinguishable to external observers, whereas among themselves they are strongly divided on very finely split hairs of theological differences -- they can immediately identify unsurmountable differences between each other while they all just look exactly the same to us. Despite the following quote from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, an awareness of perspective is still important: quote: In the story's narrative, Zaphod Beeblebrox had, unbeknownst to him, been transported into a bubble universe that had been created just for him. So when he was condemned to having his brain annihilated by the Total Perspective Vortex, all it ended up doing was to inflate his ego manifold (not that it wasn't already over-inflated) since that he was the most important thing in that universe.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: That reminds me of this Emo Philips joke
The best God joke ever - and it's mine! Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Which reminds me of a story in which almost everybody in all of history (save for four) all ended up going to Hell just because for any individual there was somebody who believed that his kind was damned to Hell.
M*A*D. Mutually Assured Damnation.
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