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Meldinoor Member (Idle past 4835 days) Posts: 400 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Hi Sasuke,
You are talking about chemical energy, i.e. energy stored within chemical bonds. And you are talking about potential energy, energy stored within a spring. Both of these are already energy, and matter is by no means converted into energy in order to use that energy. When you eat the sugar in a plant, you are not converting the matter into energy, but utilizing the chemical energy stored within the molecular bonds (I'm not a chemist or a scientist for that matter, but this is how I understand it works). The matter stays matter. In a nuclear reaction, OTH, atomic nuclei are split into smaller nuclei. Releasing energy in the process, and losing mass proportionally according to E=mc^2. This would have been a better example for you to use. However, although matter is lost and energy is released, it does not mean that matter is "stored energy", though you are certainly free to think of it that way. I can see how energy and matter could both be manifestations of fluctuating fields. Electromagnetic radiation, light, for instance, is a fluctuation in a magnetic and an electric field. (I'm not sure if I'm using the proper lingo here). If I remember correctly, all particles behave like (are?) waves to some extent. Electrons passing through double slits will create an interference pattern just like light does. Respectfully, -Meldinoor
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5181 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
Meldinoor,
Matter is made of chemicals. Matter = Material. These chemicals can be found on the periodic table. When you digest a plant you are in fact digesting chemicals/matter. Energy is made up of chemicals. So in fact when you digest matter you are in fact digesting chemicals and when you digest chemicals you are in fact digesting energy. Matter is stored energy and it does require a stimulus to release that stored energy. I've quoted my course manuals from the past. ThanksSasuke FYI: Light is manifested when electrons are shed from a atom which is going through a phase reduction of higher energy level to lower energy level. Edited by Sasuke, : addition of off topic
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
Sasuke is right, when you eat you turn matter into energy. Some of the mass is converted into heat.
(Although, to clarify, he's wrong about the other stuff) Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5181 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
Mr. Jack,
Matter is never lost. Burn a piece of wood, the heat is released but the sum of the particles will in mass weigh the same as the original if gathered. The new material gathered will not only be the same mass but it is also a new form of stored energy that can be used to do something else. I've also already quoted course materials in previous posts. ThanksSasuke
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Some of the mass is converted into heat. Nope. Molecules get ripped apart and rearranged, but no mass is destroyed in the process of potato to poop. The heat is from the reassortment of bonds. Only.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Matter is never lost. A million tons per second is "lost" in the middle of the Sun. Four protons outwiegh one helium nucleus.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5181 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
Coragyps,
I am sure this loss can be accounted for in other chemical reactions. What data do you have to support this claim? Maybe even LIGHT accounts for some of it since photons originate from the center of the sun and are billions of years old before they reach earth. Of course I am just speculating as I don't even know if photons can be considered material or not... Confused about this one... ThanksSasuke Edited by Sasuke, : No reason given.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
FYI: You should follow standardized lessons in your classes as to avoid providing less accurate data. when teaching postgrads quantum gravity in the world's leading theoretical physics department, what standardisations do you think I should have used? Now, stop talking parrotting crap, stick around, and you may just learn something.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
but no mass is destroyed in the process of potato to poop Very true, you cannot destroy mass; but...
The heat is from the reassortment of bonds. Only. There is mass in that there heat, so when that heat dissipates, you're total mass will be less. Exactly as in nuclear reactions. You are releasing binding energy (chemical bonds or nuclear bonds) and that energy counts for some of the mass. There is nothing magically mass-into-energy about nuclear energy; no more so than burning coal.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5181 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
cavediver,
I don't care how you feel about your job. It's still a job and it's still just theoretical physics being done by primitive idiots(u r human). You have provided nothing except assertions and superficial cultural attitude. Provide some valid info, please I insist. ThanksSasuke
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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Provide some valid info, please I insist. why, you seem to think you know it all. Think I'll just leave you stupid; you're funnier that way.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5181 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
cavediver,
It's obvious I don't know it all, that is why im asking this top notch theoretical physics teacher of the top department in the world to validate my o so stupid self.... ThanksSasuke
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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when you eat you turn matter into energy Agh, you can't turn matter into energy. We've got a whole thread on it going on! ABE: to elucidate - we can turn two particles of matter (electron + positron) in to two particles that aren't matter (two photons), but we still have two particles - two field excitations. The initial particle pair (e-/e+) contain exactly the same energy as the final particle pair (photons). But we have still just turned particles into particles. Though we certainly have "destroyed" the matter
Some of the mass is converted into heat. No, mass is a measure of energy. Chemical binding energy has the same mass as the heat it becomes. ABE: stop me if I'm getting too anal Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Sorry Meldinoor, I jumped in too late. Looks like you had it all under control Your last paragraph goes a little wayward, but the rest is close to spot on.
Just read my post on the similarity between chemical and nuclear, and make sure you keep your distinction between matter (field excitation) and mass (measure of energy). Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.
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Sasuke Member (Idle past 5181 days) Posts: 137 Joined: |
cavediver,
when a chemical/material bond is broken energy is released. To break the bond is to stimulate the energy to flow. It's much like a light switch on/off by the touch of a finger. I will admit flowing energy)energy is flux) and stored energy(dormant energy) are two different things. However, it is just a sum of chemical reactions that make the difference even if were talking about protons, neutrons and electrons as the base for these chemical reactions as they are chemicals. Example, what is the sum of 1 proton? H+ which is a hydrogen ion/chemical. ThanksSasuke
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