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Quetzal
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Message 46 of 56 (48142)
07-31-2003 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by crashfrog
07-30-2003 5:44 PM


For instance the lungs you have were originally swim bladders in our fishy ancestors.
Hee hee. Other way around crash. (Now where was that thread on lung evolution?)...

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mark24
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Message 47 of 56 (48151)
07-31-2003 8:05 AM
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07-31-2003 5:45 AM


Quetzal,
Yup, it was I who got educated that time around. Lungs first, swim bladders second.
Mark

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 56 (48242)
07-31-2003 6:03 PM
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07-31-2003 5:45 AM


Oh.
Well, I guess evolution is wrong, then. Kent Hovind, sign me up!

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MrHambre
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Message 49 of 56 (48333)
08-01-2003 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Warren
07-30-2003 5:17 PM


Incredulity? Don't You Believe It!
quote:
Despite all the expressed incredulity that is so common among Behe's critics, he has indeed contributed to science by forcing scientists like Thornhill & Ussery to classify routes of evolution thus showing that 50% of the possible routes can't generate IC machines.
According to you, then, we Darwinists are guilty of incredulity. A material mechanism is capable of creating design in nature, and you admit that half the possible routes to IC systems are accessible to this mechanism. What is the basis for believing that a mechanism like Intelligent Design, that can only be inferred and has never created a natural organism or structure, is a better explanation for the origin of natural IC systems?
quote:
But the two evolutionary pathways that Thornhill & Ussery describe as capable of producing IC systems amount to nothing more than chance, luck, coincidence etc. One of these is co-option.
I don't care what Mike Gene says, you're wrong here. You have been informed repeatedly that co-option is what turned reptilian jawbones into essential parts of the mammalian middle ear. This process is Darwinism plain and simple, and has absolutely nothing to do with coincidence.
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Peter
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Message 50 of 56 (48611)
08-04-2003 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by MrHambre
08-01-2003 12:49 PM


Re: Incredulity? Don't You Believe It!
I think the problem is that an 'evolutionist' will tend
to reject ID on the basis that ToE has greater explanatory power.
Evo's do not 'disbelieve' ID, they find it lacking.
IDer's on the other hand, base their entire weltenshaung on
'disbelief' and 'incredulity'.

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Buzsaw
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Message 51 of 56 (63375)
10-29-2003 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Dr Jack
07-30-2003 6:15 AM


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There is no biblical support for that position, the only biblical quotation that comes close to what you describe refers to the situation in heaven, not in the pre-fall garden of eden.
There is prophetic scripture of the coming millennial messianic era when animals will again be vegetarian and will not hurt one another nor mankind in Isaiah 11:1-10. Most fundamentalist Biblical scholars believe this is also descriptive of how it was before the flood.
I have a friend who once had a dog which loved raw garden squash. Most cats eat some grass. With a super climate and lush vegitation I'm quite sure animals would soon adapt. This is not to mention the supernatural factor which will has been and will be in play.

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 56 (63398)
10-29-2003 10:01 PM
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10-29-2003 8:12 PM


Most cats eat some grass.
Grass makes cats throw up. That's why they eat it, to puke up hairballs. There's no way it could supply all their dietary needs.

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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 56 (63400)
10-29-2003 10:11 PM
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10-29-2003 10:01 PM


quote:
Grass makes cats throw up. That's why they eat it, to puke up hairballs. There's no way it could supply all their dietary needs.
My point was that they eat other as well as meat, not that they would live off grass. Our two cats seldom throw up from eating grass. They also like catnip and nibble on it as well. My son's cat likes Barley Green, a nutritious dehydrated barley powder compound.

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Rrhain
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Message 54 of 56 (63430)
10-30-2003 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Buzsaw
10-29-2003 10:11 PM


buzsaw writes:
quote:
My point was that they eat other as well as meat, not that they would live off grass.
Your point was that carnivores could live off of only vegetation.
That simply isn't true. Doesn't matter how lush the vegetation is in this "super climate," a carnivore must eat meat to live. Certain nutritional elements are only present in animal products. In humans, for example, the vitamin B12 that prevents pernicious anemia is only available from eating animal products (unless you happen to have enough cobalt in your diet such that the bacteria in your gut can synthesize it for you).
Do not confuse the fact that a carnivore may put vegetable material into its mouth with the idea that it could live as a vegetarian.
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Rrhain
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Rrhain
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Message 55 of 56 (63431)
10-30-2003 3:53 AM
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10-29-2003 8:12 PM


buzsaw writes:
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This is not to mention the supernatural factor which will has been and will be in play.
If you're going to invoke magic, then just say so and we can end this conversation.
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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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nator
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Message 56 of 56 (63523)
10-30-2003 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Buzsaw
10-29-2003 8:12 PM


quote:
I have a friend who once had a dog which loved raw garden squash. Most cats eat some grass. With a super climate and lush vegitation I'm quite sure animals would soon adapt. This is not to mention the supernatural factor which will has been and will be in play.
Sure, when it seems to make no sense, just invoke magic and suddenly, you don't have to firgure stuff out anymore or admit that your idea is totally unworkable!
God truly is great!

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