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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
Because this board's expressed purpose is a discussion of evolution and creationism?
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berberry Inactive Member |
A cursory glance at the list of forum titles shows that it goes far beyond that. I've always thought that any topic related to the bible was fair game here. Am I wrong?
Dog is my copilot.
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Tusko Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 615 From: London, UK Joined: |
PecosGeorge said:
Homosexuality is a useless practice in that it does not assure procreation So is an infertile heterosexual couple useless too?
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6873 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
speaking, yes!
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MonkeyBoy Inactive Member |
however equate to sex without marriage and that is forbidden as in fornication. But since "you people" want to make it impossible for gays to marry at all, what are they to do?
Homosexuality is a useless practice in that it does not assure procreation. Procreation is the primary purpose of sex? I, along with many other men have underwent a vasectomy; according to my doctor, I CANNOT get my wife pregnant. Not because of a disease, illness or anything other than my choice. I choose to have sex because it feels great, it is an experience that my wife and I share together and...did I mention it feels great?
This discussion goes round and round, and at the end of each lap, stands God with 'Adam and Eve I have made them' and nothing other than that. lol. Seriously, Phat, Pecos and J_F I have to assume that you are all straight, and with that assumption in mind, what right would an organization have to tell you who you could and could not fall in love with? How can god love gays, but be against gay sex? Lam and Berberry you have exercised extreme patience;I am a bit of a hot head, and if I were gay, I'd most likely be incarcerated by now for assault.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
So marriages between infertile couples of all genders should be banned?
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AdminHambre Inactive Member |
I think your second point is the most relevant. The subject is the moral equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel, and it just becomes a flamewar between the ignorant and the ones who like to bait and goad them. The rhetoric is far too emotional on either side. Everyone here has his or her mind made up on the subject already, and I despair of ever hearing a new argument raised in the debate. Worst of all, discussing the subject doesn't bring out the best in either camp. People I consider intelligent and objective end up sounding strident and dogmatic. As Daniel Dennett once said (or was it Leo Berg?), "There's nothing worse than hearing a position you agree with, stated badly."
I think the subject of abortion has the same qualities that make it an impossible issue for a constructive debate. It only lends itself to hysteria, polarization, and scrambling for the moral high ground. I've personally been involved in absolutely futile exchanges of invective disguised as discussions on the question of abortion, and I don't intend to enter into any more. I'd have the same reaction if we kept having threads started on the subject of racism. It's a valid matter for discussion, but how far would we get before the debate degenerated into name-calling, self-righteousness, and emotionalism? Adminssimo Hambre
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
I beg to differ. Personally, I have no problem with people being bigots as long as they stay out of my way. What I have a problem with are these self-proclaim christians who claim the bible supports their side yet they can't even come up with a single bible passage that isn't questionable to support their side. Yet, people like paisano keeps saying "the bible blah blah blah..." This is a black and white matter.
So far, George is the only person who actually brought up a somewhat valid biblical point regarding Adam and Eve. However, even then it is a bit of stretch to think that the particular bible passage is referring to homosexuals. And where the hell is paisano? He was the one that made the bold statement about homosexuality and the bible. Hate world. Revenge soon!
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berberry Inactive Member |
So are you saying that any topic related to the bible will be allowed here in future except for homosexuality, abortion and racism? I hope not.
If homosexuality topics are banned, will any mention of homosexuality also be banned? Will a fundie be banned if he or she brings up homosexuality in a thread about, for instance, the recent election? Or is it only gays who are expected to show restraint? Dog is my copilot.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
the monkey writes:
Believe you me, if there is a device that allows me to physically injure somebody over the internet... Lam and Berberry you have exercised extreme patience;I am a bit of a hot head, and if I were gay, I'd most likely be incarcerated by now for assault.
Hate world. Revenge soon!
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I have atempted to take this discussion to the "Change in Moderation?" topic. My message is here.
Please take any further discussion to the above cited topic. Adminnemooseus ps: I see that you have already moved your message, prior to me getting this one posted. I'll post it anyway, to try to divert all such discussion there. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to: Change in Moderation? (General discussion of moderation procedures)or Thread Reopen Requests or Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum or Introducing the new "Boot Camp" forum
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lfen Member (Idle past 4677 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Yes. My assertion and accusation, based upon limited personal observation, suggests that many of the "enlightened" church leaders present a social relevant message rather than a historic "yahweh or the highway" one. Phat, Let's get back to the real old time religion, none of this modern watered down stuff. Let's you and I go out and burn some lambs and buy some slaves and stone to death some adulters!! I wish I could write like Mark Twain. He has written some very funny yet right on criticism of this unthinking attitude of religion:
The Christian's Bible is a drug store. Its contents remain the same; but the medical practice changes...The world has corrected the Bible. The church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession- and take the credit of the correction. During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. the Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumb-screws, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry.....There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed. Hell fire is gone, but the text remains. Infant damnation is gone, but the text remains. More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the texts that authorized them remain. - "Bible Teaching and Religious Practice," Europe and Elsewhere I think it's fine if you have a religion that makes you happy and loving, but not if it means you give up thinking! The ancients who wrote the various books that are assembled in the Bible have been improved upon. And I for one am grateful for churches that try to go forward rather than backwards. lfen
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6873 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Thank you. My heart is warmed by your compassion.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6873 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
You misunderstand, no one has the right to tell someone how to live his/her life. Even God does not 'make' you.
I wouldn't think of telling you your personal conduct. Technically speaking, it is so wonderfully not my business.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6873 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Judging by your posts that I have read, this question is unworthy of you. I mean that with all sincerity, Ned.
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