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dronestar
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Message 31 of 72 (590443)
11-08-2010 9:17 AM
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11-07-2010 3:52 AM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
All You Zombies.
Thanks Dr. A. It seems short enough for me to read it on my lunch break.

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Message 32 of 72 (590444)
11-08-2010 9:17 AM
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11-08-2010 12:14 AM


I like the Niven stories. To each his own I guess.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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dronestar
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Message 33 of 72 (590446)
11-08-2010 9:32 AM
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11-07-2010 12:24 PM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
Of all the time-travel movies to have not seen, I am embarrassed to say I don't remember ever seeing The Time Machine by H.G.Wells, 1960 The Time Machine (1960) - IMDb. Possibly as a young kid, but I just don't remember. I do remember the Morlocks in photos, but I can't remember the story. Ok, it goes onto my rainy sunday afternoon movie list.
I think you mean "By His Bootstraps. http://www.timetravelreviews.com/...heinlein_bootstraps.html
I am hoping the paradoxical conundrums of time-travel will be more expanded in this thread. Participants are talking about time and space impossibilities of time-travel in the newer posts. NeatO.
Cool that you sat in a "replica" of the time travel machine. (You didn't touch the little red button, did ya?)

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dronestar
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Message 34 of 72 (590448)
11-08-2010 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Tanypteryx
11-07-2010 3:58 PM


Re: War between the Dinosaur guys and the Dragonfly guys
It seems we are like-minded Tanypteryx.
Meganeura monyi (27+ inch wingspan)? Wow.
Ok, just to see that would be cool enough, but to see that fly. Uber cool! (How could its wings create enough lift? It would SEEM to be a flying impossibility)
While were at it, how about any giant flying pterosaur? The pteranodon had a wingspan of 20-25 feet. But I think there were others with 40+ feet wingspans!!!
Holy Chrysler!
Pterosaur - Wikipedia
Pterosauria

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Message 35 of 72 (590450)
11-08-2010 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by slevesque
11-07-2010 4:40 PM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
Thanks Slevesque.
The ''butterfly effect'', The Butterfly Effect (2004) - IMDb
Thanks, I never saw this movie all the way through. I became inpatient in the beginning and had a hard time watching it through. Perhaps it is because I am not a big fan of Aston K. Sometimes if you do not like an actor/actress, you really don't give a movie a fair chance.
I'll try to give it another chance.

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Message 36 of 72 (590453)
11-08-2010 10:05 AM
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11-08-2010 9:16 AM


Re: Time and Space
So I'm sure much of what I'm about to say is not even wrong.
...kinda like a Newton's Fourth Law.

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Message 37 of 72 (590459)
11-08-2010 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by dronestar
11-08-2010 9:08 AM


dronester writes:
Besides bringing back a wooley-mammoth....
I think I'd rather visit a wooly mammoth in his own back yard instead of having him wander around in mine. (Jurassic Park was a kind of time-travel movie, wasn't it? That didn't turn out too well.)
dronester writes:
... I am hoping medical-science will have learn't how to graft eagle-eye-genes and mountain-goat-knee-genes to humans in the very near future.
That would make a good SF movie in a Frankenstein-like way.
"Franken-Steinway, the rise and fall of a genetically-enhanced concert pianist, in theaters this weekend."

"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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Tanypteryx
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Message 38 of 72 (590461)
11-08-2010 11:01 AM
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11-08-2010 9:42 AM


Re: War between the Dinosaur guys and the Dragonfly guys
dronester, Dragonflies are unique in the way they move their wings. Each wing can move independent of the others. In modern dragonflies the forewings create turbulence that the hindwings use to gain extra lift.
We don't have enough fossils to know what the history of these giants was, but when they ruled the air there were no other large flying predators. That said, there are a lot of Odonate fossils, so we have a better idea of their history than for most other insect orders. There are some fossils of wing fragments that hint at even larger wings (~36 inches).
Pterosaurs would be great to see also! Seeing the life on Earth in any Era would have been mind-blowing. The fossil evidence shows that the planet was teeming with terrestrial life from about 400 million years ago to present but there must have been millions of species that left no fossils at all.
The dinosaurs catch our imagination because of their size and the incredible length of time they were around, and of course, their rather abrupt disappearance, but the insects have been around much longer and are clearly the most successful terrestrial animals.
To get back on topic. The first time travel book I read was A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain. I remember the movie too, I think Bing Crosby played Hank Morgan. I really liked The Time Machine movie when I saw it in high school.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

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Wounded King
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Message 39 of 72 (590463)
11-08-2010 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dronestar
11-05-2010 11:33 AM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
Some more time travel movies, not necessarily favourites -
12 Monkeys - I really like 12 Monkeys, some fun craziness from Brad Pitt and lots of sheer incomprehension from Bruce Willis.
Primer - I'm still not sure I really have any idea what happened here, maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention but I think it went through one recursion loop too many for me.
Triangle - Even putting this here is perhaps a spoiler, not necessarily a good film, but interesting in parts.
A lot of time travel movies seem to prefer closed loops as a way to ignore any complex issues of dealing with paradoxes.
TTFN,
WK

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dronestar
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Message 40 of 72 (590472)
11-08-2010 11:31 AM
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11-08-2010 10:49 AM


time-travel wooly mammoth packs his trunk
ringo writes:
I think I'd rather visit a wooly mammoth in his own back yard instead of having him wander around in mine. (Jurassic Park was a kind of time-travel movie, wasn't it? That didn't turn out too well.
Hee, and thanks for the warning Jeff Goldbloom.
Allow me to play, a more youngish, Richard Attenborough . . .
Well, we don't know the temperment of wooly mammoths. They COULD be as harmless as their asian cousins. Maybe you would even want each of your children to own one of these docile creatures (as long as the kids promised to clean up after them. Kids take note: Untangling their wooly hides with a dogbrush will take the better part of the weekend).
Seriously, . . .
In another thread, about a year ago, we touched upon the thought of bringing back extinct animals. Since man's current unyielding encroachment into wildlife's environment, there is hardly room enough for current endangered animals, let alone bringing back extinct ones. However, I don't believe the Siberian plains, where the wooly mammoths lived, to be under man's assault. If true, I wonder how difficult/problematic/un-ethical it would be to bring back herds of mammoth there.
OTOH, I suppose time and money could be better spent on other things.

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Message 41 of 72 (590473)
11-08-2010 11:32 AM
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11-05-2010 11:33 AM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
"The Postman" starring Kevin Costner.
It involved moving forward in time r..e..a..l..l..y...f...u...c...k...i...n...g....s....l....o....w....l....y.........

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Message 42 of 72 (590474)
11-08-2010 11:37 AM
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11-05-2010 11:33 AM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
I am astounded that no-one has mentioned Donnie Darko yet...
{abe} Avoid the sequels though!
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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Message 43 of 72 (590476)
11-08-2010 11:59 AM


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At this time of year I need to mention one of my favorites, the story (not the film) of A Christmas Carol.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
dronestar
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Message 44 of 72 (590480)
11-08-2010 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Tanypteryx
11-08-2010 11:01 AM


Re: War between the Dinosaur guys and the Dragonfly guys
when [dragonflies] ruled the air there were no other large flying predators.
I didn't know that, how interesting! I wonder how common they were in the air? Could you imagine if they flew over land as dense as mosquitoes over a swamp? I am guessing their size would make them less agile than smaller flying insects, so would they be more apt to collide with eachother?
Each wing can move independent of the others. In modern dragonflies the forewings create turbulence that the hindwings use to gain extra lift.
And what would these super-sized dragonflies, in flight, sound like? I am guessing with such big wings, the wing beats per minute would be a lot fewer, so it might sound like a 60 second ground hum rather than a high frequency of a female mosquito?
The dinosaurs catch our imagination because of their size and the incredible length of time they were around
Dinos still capture my imagination. Last month, I traveled to the Gobi desert in Mongolia where dino fossils have been excavated. I believe Mongolia's travel industry could explode if they only could create a type of Jurrasic Park fossil park. But Mongolia is many, many years away from creating a sustaining infrastructure. BTW, unsurprisingly, the capital has a great dino fossil collection at its history museum. Saw many dinos I never knew existed. But like you said, there are undoubtedly millions of dino fossils we haven't yet uncovered.
Back to the topic of time-travel: Never heard of "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court", by Mark Twain. Was this a tongue-in-cheek story or somewhat serious?

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dronestar
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Message 45 of 72 (590485)
11-08-2010 12:27 PM
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11-08-2010 11:05 AM


Re: More Time Travel, less serious
Thanks for the movie list WK.
I saw "12 Monkeys", I liked.
Didn't see "Primer". Will put on my list.
"Triangle", Triangle (2009) - IMDb, even with your reservations, it might be interesting.
A lot of time travel movies seem to prefer closed loops as a way to ignore any complex issues of dealing with paradoxes.
I am guessing time-travel movies in particular have inherent scientific loopholes in their storylines that can't usually be adequately fixed. For the general non-scientific public, I suppose it doesn't matter. But, someone on the forum once stated that he couldn't watch sci-fi movies because they fail to be scientifically plausible. This implausibility ruins their suspension of disbelief.
I understand that way of thinking, however, . . .
It seems I can compartmentalize these things. E.g., I don't believe in ghosts, but I still had a fun/interesting time at a recent Halloween "historical" ghost walk.

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