The Trump Post-Presidency and Insurrection

YES I KNOW, THAT'S THE LINE I JUST QUOTED! "to establish post offices and post roads". You musta had too much wine last night.I sometimes wonder if you enjoy going at it with me, like I do with you, or if you're just trying to save face with the other regular posters here, I think I have the answer, it's the latter. "Posting roads" IS highways, bridges, railways! I LOVE this place!I'm just trying to help, considering Trump's position in the polls, I've been trying to show the reasoning that so many other U.S. voters have. It's not working, you just don't believe any of it, and can't understand why Trump is popular. Surely you must believe there's SOME reason Trump is popular, but I'd be afraid to ask what it is.This should be a fun year, I might be back later this year with some more questions, and we'll have more fun. Happy New Year!

You've lost the plot. I included "Transportation" in my list of things that Congress authorizes expenditures for that aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution, and you have evidently misinterpreted it as referring to post offices and post roads. It doesn't. Transportation refers to the Department of Transportation, which is not mentioned in the Constitution. So I clarified that it refers to highways, railways, etc. The Federal Highway Administration is the part of the Department of Transportation that maintains the nations highway system. The Federal Railroad Administration is the part that deals with railroads.The Department of Transportation that Congress authorizes expenditures for is just one of the federal agencies not mentioned in the Constitution that Congress also authorizes expenditures for, like the Department of Health and Human Services. This is why your questioning of health care as a valid Congressional expenditure makes no sense. This is what you said: Obviously Congress authorizes expenditures on many things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, including health care.But getting back to the original subject, I included health care subsidies in my list of things that Trump has done to cause alarm, because you asked what we found so alarming. I later mentioned the recent declines in average height and lifespans among Americans that are due to our decreasing emphasis on public health, something that continued under Trump. I'm one of the many victims of the obsessive/compulsive disorder known as "Someone's wrong on the Internet and I have to fix it." I think you're a mystery to all of us here. No one knows why you do what you do or say what you say, like trumpeting your greatest blunders as victories. It isn't whether you think you won that counts. It's what everyone else thinks. I couldn't find any mention online of any involvement of the modern U.S. Postal Service in the building and maintenance of roads, bridges and railways. It could possibly be as little as none. They used to do everything, like road, railways, steamboats, pony express, airplanes and so forth, but those days are long gone. For highways and bridges, that's the Department of Transportation now. You've shown us more irrationality than anything else. If you have good reasons for supporting Trump, you haven't brought them forward yet. Your posts are a confusion of emotion mixed with fact, fantasy, and error. You haven't yet contributed anything that seems both fact-based and well reasoned. So far no convincing explanation has been offered for why so many support a man who is such a threat to democracy, the rule of law, the rights of women, the rights of minorities, the rights of non-citizens, and the safety, security and reputation of the United States itself. The rest of the world views Boris Johnson and Donald Trump as buffoons who should not be allowed anywhere near the seats of power. They see the UK as having come at least a little ways toward regaining their senses but can't understand why so many in the U.S. are enamored with Trump.Your posts have shed no light on the mystery. What it looks like to me is that people who support Trump are more attracted by his stream-of-consciousness "call it as I see it" style than they are repelled by his viciousness and inhumanity.Perhaps one way of looking at it is that Trump learned how to get and maintain attention through his years on The Apprentice, and now he's taken that show on the road across the U.S. where a certain type of person just eats up that kind of entertainment.But that's all it is, entertainment. It's no way to run a country.--Percy

You say you're trying to help us understand why people support Trump, even after his efforts to retain power after losing an election and inciting and supporting insurrection, as well as the indictments that followed. All your replies, even this one, do give us little snapshots into the psyches of people who support Trump. What we find in these little snapshots are not facts and rationality but confusion and emotion.One of the common contradictions of Trump supporters is the cognitive dissonance they have to maintain to believe the election was stolen but having no idea how it was done. They may mention mail-in voting or voting machines, but the actual mechanics of how they used those voting methods to steal the election are completely absent.Even common sense fails these people. They know when they vote that their names are checked off a list, either by hand or electronically. After they check in, then they vote. The number of check-ins has to match the number of votes. Someone can't just drop off counterfeit ballots, either actual ballots or by manipulating voting machines, because then the number of check-ins would no longer match the number of ballots.I've mentioned my MAGA nephew several times on the forum. We have friends involved in town affairs and have helped out with the vote count several times. We know exactly how the voting works here, both for in-person voting and for mail-in voting. Whether counting the votes is manual, as it is in our small town, or automated, as it is in nearby cities, the basic approach is the same: the count of check-ins has to match the count of votes. Anyone who somehow manages to add a bunch of counterfeit ballots has to also add a bunch of check-ins. Counting the check-in ledgers and tallying the votes are two completely different processes.Engaging in such tampering without anyone noticing would be a massive effort for even just a few hundred votes. Doing it for a hundred thousand votes across multiple jurisdictions in multiple states with all the people that would have to be involved would be a monumental effort that would be impossible to not detect. Far, far fewer people were involved in the fake elector efforts, yet it still came to light. Stealing a hundred thousand votes could not be hidden. Yet my nephew still believes it happened. For him, if Trump said it happened then it happened, and we're fools for not believing him.--Percy

Today's New York Times summarizes the results of the January 6th inquiry so far. The short version: hundreds of prison sentences.Here's some of the data it provided:

• Every week, a few more people are arrested.
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• The charged crimes range from trespassing to seditious conspiracy.
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• 1240 people have been arrested.
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• 710 people have pleaded guilty.
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• 210 of those have pleaded guilty to felony offenses.
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• 170 people have been convicted at trial.
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• 2 people have been fully acquitted.
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• 350 cases are still pending.
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• 720 people have been sentenced so far.
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• 450 of those were sentenced to periods of incarceration ranging from a few days to over 20 years.
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• Total indictments might eventually exceed 2000

--Percy

ABC News and the New York Times, but not the Washington Post, are reporting that Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis is in a relationship with a lawyer she hired.The filing by RICO defendant Michael Roman alleges that Ms. Willis was already in a relationship with lawyer Nathan J. Wade when she hired him to assist with the Georgia RICO case against Donald Trump and 18 other defendants, from which he has earned $650,000 thus far. It further alleges that "Ms. Willis and Mr. Wade had taken vacations together with money he made working for her office."Asked for a response, lawyers for Fani Willis's office said it would come in court filings.--Percy

Percy, the link is apparently some kind of paywall?but i wish we could all say "SO WHAT IF THEY WERE?"

Thus far, we only seem to have allegations.Instead of providing evidence on his own case, Roman is attacking the prosecutor. Isn't that almost the definition of "ad homonym"?I'll wait to see what turns up.

Percy:

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Today's New York Times summarizes the results of the January 6th inquiry so far. The short version: hundreds of prison sentences.

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Here's some of the data it provided:

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• Every week, a few more people are arrested.
  ​
• The charged crimes range from trespassing to seditious conspiracy.
  ​
• 1240 people have been arrested.
  ​
• 710 people have pleaded guilty.
  ​
• 210 of those have pleaded guilty to felony offenses.
  ​
• 170 people have been convicted at trial.
  ​
• 2 people have been fully acquitted.
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• 350 cases are still pending.
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• 720 people have been sentenced so far.
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• 450 of those were sentenced to periods of incarceration ranging from a few days to over 20 years.
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• Total indictments might eventually exceed 2000

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For the record, I see two things happening with Donald Trump. (DISCLAIMER: I will most definitely NOT vote for him. He is currently off the ballot in my state (Colorado) but I wont EVER vote for him regardless. I have stated before that I am a moderate to conservative Christian but NOT a Republican and NOT pro Trump. Now or ever.)The two things that I see happening in the future are:
1) Donald Trump will be our next president.
2) Towards the end of his term, he will be revealed to be the AntiChrist. Donald Trump will make a false peace with Israel and will then stand in the Temple and say that he is God. Fortunately for all of us "normals" he is NOT God nor will he anything more than a god...an antichrist. He is the diametric opposite of Jesus Christ.

Peter Navarro, the Trump administration's trade advisor, was today sentenced to four months in prison for two misdemeanor counts of criminal contempt of Congress (Navarro Is Sentenced to 4 Months in Prison for Stonewalling Congress in Jan. 6 Inquiry).When their subpoenas were ignored the January 6th Committee found Navarro in contempt and referred the matter to the Justice Department, which indicted him. It was found that Navarro was part of a strategy to delay certification of the 2020 election, convince vice president Mike Pence to cast doubt on the election results of some states, and convince the public that election fraud had taken place.It is welcome to see some accountability, though of course they'll appeal. Hopefully at least some of the Trump cases will reach trial this year and we'll see more accountability.--Percy

Trump ordered to pay $355 million and cannot do business for 3 years in New York for real estate and banking fraud.

You give me hope in the human race, Phat. I'm not a conservative, but I fully respect the conservative positions even if I don't share them. The current GOP is not conservative in any traditional sense. I can't see how any Christian could be part of what the GOP currently represents. You compare what Trump says to what Jesus said in the Bible and they are polar opposites. I just don't get it. I also think many other people can see the hypocrisy in the church (at least those who are pro-Trump) right now which may explain why fewer people are going to church here in the US. Although I don't subscribe to apocalyptic prophecies, I can certainly see the comparisons to the anti-Christ.

He's expected to appeal, probably requesting that the judge's orders be put on hold pending the appeal.--Percy

And yet, I would bet that he was raging yesterday as if they had just pulled ALL $355 million out of his dick. Reportedly, Southern Florida has a shortage of Ketchup. Plus the $50+ million his cult coughed up for legal fees last year.I enjoy his pain!

He needs to put up the money or a bond in order to appeal.

Are you saying this is something he should be forced to do or is this an already existing condition in force?