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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes:
You are trashing common sense.Buz's point was that the Supreme Court is to serve the law, justice and truth, not people, and anyone who reduces their obligation to being sensitive to people has already trashed justice. Saying that judges should be sensitive to people is not at all the same as saying that justice is reduced to being sensitive to people.
Faith writes:
That makes no sense at all. In a world with no people, there would be no injustice. The whole notion of justice is about people.No, judges are to be about justice, not people. When Jesus told us to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, he was explaining that justice is all about people. Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right, thank you Rahvin, I knew these things were going on so there you have it, and you are giving the standard rationalization, claiming the law requires it rather than that it's a violation of the prohibition clause.
Yes, it's a complicated situation I grant but the schools are not Congress and not the US government so the idea that they are violating the 1st amendment in allowing religious practices is ridiculous. Teachers shouldn't pressure children about anything and it's just plain courtesy and good classroom demeanor to maintain a neutral attitude about personal beliefs (although I had one high school teacher myself who preached against religion and others who preached politics and I know it goes on anyway). Nothing to do with the first amendment, just simple common sense, an administrative matter, not a matter for the first amendment. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then YOU please explain the symbolism of Lady Justice with the blindfold and the scales or do you just want to throw her into the trash?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
Then YOU please explain the symbolism of Lady Justice with the blindfold and the scales or do you just want to throw her into the trash? The scales symbolize fairness, and the blindfold symbolizes a lack of favoritism or prejudice. Why do we want those things, Faith?
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes:
I'm sorry. If you don't understand that as being all about people, then you are so far out of touch with reality that I would not know where to begin.Then YOU please explain the symbolism of Lady Justice with the blindfold and the scales or do you just want to throw her into the trash? Jesus was a liberal hippie
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Because the human tendency is to decide not on the grounds of fairness and impartiality but according to who the people are that are being brought before the court. So to explicitly require a judge to judge cases on the grounds of sensitivity to people is to explicitly deny the impartiality and fairness of true justice. Justice requires a complete lack of concern about WHO is being judged.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, nwr, it is not about ALL people, it is about specific people. Obama doesn't want justice he want empathy to specific groups of people:
Obama said:
We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges. The Volokh Conspiracy - Who Would Barack Obama Nominate to the Supreme Court?: That is NOT the business of a judge. Absolute total blindness to persons is the business of a judge. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
Because the human tendency is to decide not on the grounds of fairness and impartiality but according to who the people are that are being brought before the court. So to explicitly require a judge to judge cases on the grounds of sensitivity to people is to explicitly deny the impartiality and fairness of true justice. Justice requires a complete lack of concern about WHO is being judged. Because the human tendency is to decide not on the grounds of fairness and impartiality but according to who the people are that are being brought before the court. So to explicitly require a judge to judge cases on the grounds of sensitivity to people is to explicitly deny the impartiality and fairness of true justice. Justice requires a complete lack of concern about WHO is being judged. You didnt answer the question. Why do we want those thintgs, Faith? Why do we want to overcome the human tendencies for prejudice and unfairness?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Do you know what "examples" are, faith?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why on earth would you ask such a question? If we don't run government by higher standards than our own human prejudices we might as well go back to living in caves.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
Why on earth would you ask such a question? If we don't run government by higher standards than our own human prejudices we might as well go back to living in caves. So...the purpose of justice and fairness is in fact to improve the lives of people over what our lives would be like in an anarchy? So...the purpose of justice and law is to serve the people? Like I said it was?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK you want to insist on using the term in a different sense than I'm using it so you can make it say what you want it to say. The quote from Obama is very clear that your meaning is not his meaning, but hey, we don't HAVE to communicate if you like talking at cross purposes all the time.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Do you even know the context in which this statement by President Obama was made?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Oh, and please answer my question:
Now thats cold. Funny, but cold. Beetaratagang or clerendipity?And I approve 100% Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Faith writes:
Sorry, Faith, but you are quite wrong about that. I suggest you spend less time listening to the ravings of the lunatic right.
Sorry, nwr, it is not about ALL people, it is about specific people. Obama doesn't want justice he want empathy to specific groups of people Faith writes:
And that is precisely what Obama was asking for.Absolute total blindness to persons is the business of a judge. If you don't understand that, it is because you have allowed yourself to be persuaded by the deliberate misconstruals by the lunatic right, misconstruals that were intended to be part of malicious and dishonest campaign to discredit Obama.
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