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Message 61 of 181 (649868)
01-26-2012 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
01-25-2012 3:12 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Yes, I live in the former greatest country the world has ever seen.
You mean Great Britain. Largest empire ever: ruled the waves with diplomacy and overwhelming firepower rather than McDonalds and Britany Spears.

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Message 62 of 181 (649871)
01-26-2012 5:45 AM


Who the heck is better than the US?
The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
Greenest Countries - Most Livable Places 2008
15. Slovenia
22. Latvia
23. United States
24. Lithuania
Intentional Homicides Per 100,000 People, 2000-2004
Ranked Lowest to Highest
38 Slovenia 1.5 (must have been a bad year)
77 Peru 5.5
78 United States 5.6
79 Uruguay 5.6
Prison Population and Prisoners per 100,000 People, by Country
Ranked by Highest to Lowest Incarceration Rate (per 100,000 people)
1 United States 2,186,230 738
2 Russia 869,814 611
3 St Kitts and Nevis 214 547
129 Slovenia 1,301 65
Olympic Medals/$10Billion GDP
20 SLO Slovenia 0 1 3 4 3.689 1.08
66 BEL Belgium 1 0 2 3 29.82 0.10
67 USA United States 35 39 29 103 1,098.000 0.09
68 TPE Taiwan 2 2 1 5 52.860 0.09
GLOBAL PEACE INDEX 2007
15 Slovenia
95 Yemen
96 USA
97 Iran
stuff gotten from Country Rankings 2020 - Country comparisons, Economy, Geography, Climate, Natural Resources, Current Issues, International Agreements, Population, Social Statistics, Flags, Maps, Political System

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Message 63 of 181 (649876)
01-26-2012 8:20 AM
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01-26-2012 3:08 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Oni writes:
Who the heck is better than the US?
By what measure?
See Message 62 for some possible ideas for relevant criteria.

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Message 64 of 181 (649882)
01-26-2012 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Rrhain
01-26-2012 3:25 AM


Norway. On all measures of societal health, Norway kicks our ass.
Norway? Puleaseee. I had to look them up on a globe, I forgot they even exist.
Norway couldn't kick our ass ever. How many fighter planes do they have?
Better standard of living, longer lives, less stress, etc.
I won't argue with you that Americans are fat and lazy, live shorter lives because of it, and are completely stressed out...especially when there's a long line at the drive-thru.
But the US in terms of being a super power and holding a global ranking is far superior than a country as tiny and irrelevant as Norway.
- Oni

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Message 65 of 181 (649883)
01-26-2012 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Straggler
01-26-2012 8:20 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
I got one criteria: who wins in a fight.
US of A. Dispute that if you want, you're wrong.
Franko's list doesn't include amount of celebrities, amount of fighter planes, size of military, freedoms, etc.
Lets all move to slovenia, yeah ok.
His list includes things like greeness, crime, prison population, ALL things the US doesn't look good at due to OVER POPULATION of immigrants from all the other countries on the list, including slovenia.
The US is the best country in the world. I can say that proudly.
- Oni

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Message 66 of 181 (649887)
01-26-2012 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by frako
01-26-2012 5:45 AM


The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
No fair on this one though. You don't have the amount of fast food places we have, thus you have healthier, skinnier people living in your country who tend to get sick less. Your healthcare system can include EVERYONE and look better on paper.
Ours can't. Can you imagine what kind of medical requirements are needed to take care of these over weight slobs?
Greenest Countries - Most Livable Places 2008
15. Slovenia
22. Latvia
23. United States
24. Lithuania
I wouldn't live in those other countries if they were MINT green. I'll enjoy a drive through the good ole USA in my SUV, thank you very much. I'm not sold on the whole "importance" of going green anyway.
Intentional Homicides Per 100,000 People, 2000-2004
Ranked Lowest to Highest
38 Slovenia 1.5 (must have been a bad year)
77 Peru 5.5
78 United States 5.6
79 Uruguay 5.6
Tell Peru and Uruguay to come get their people out of our country and lets see how low our homicide rankings go.
In fact, tell every South American country to come get their people and lets see how low our rakings drop then!
I'm sure if we did a proper cleansing we'd be pretty close to #1.
Olympic Medals/$10Billion GDP
That's how sore lossers breakdown a catagory.
Just add up TOTAL AMOUNT. Period. And of course, we win.
GLOBAL PEACE INDEX 2007
15 Slovenia
95 Yemen
96 USA
97 Iran
This is irrelevant.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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Message 67 of 181 (649888)
01-26-2012 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by onifre
01-26-2012 9:41 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
I got one criteria: who wins in a fight.
given that the US spends more money on its military then the rest of the world combined youd probably win Your only rivals in the world would be china due to the number of soldiers and the pool of people they could in list from.
Franko's list doesn't include amount of celebrities, amount of fighter planes, size of military, freedoms, etc.
Well freedoms are silly to compare because most countries in Europe rank 1 place as does the US basicly all free countries, celebrities like Justin Bieber just make me want to get a gun and shoot some body so the less the better
His list includes things like greeness, crime, prison population, ALL things the US doesn't look good at due to OVER POPULATION of immigrants from all the other countries on the list, including slovenia.
Actually most people now days are looking to Australia as a country to migrate to, or new Zeland.
P.s. we have so many immigrants from Bosnia that they will soon outnumber us
The US is the best country in the world. I can say that proudly.
Yea and Mcdonalds provides the healthiest food

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onifre
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Message 68 of 181 (649893)
01-26-2012 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by frako
01-26-2012 10:00 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
given that the US spends more money on its military then the rest of the world combined youd probably win
Probably? Oh come on, you can say it.
Bin Laden, Hussein, Ghaddafi - who killed those guys? Slovenia? Latvia? Peru? No sir, the US did. And hey rest of the world, you're welcome.
Your only rivals in the world would be china due to the number of soldiers and the pool of people they could in list from.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind terribly if we fell under a Chinese government. Have you seen those guys? They're shreded!
But that probably won't happen for another 15 years.
Well freedoms are silly to compare because most countries in Europe rank 1 place as does the US basicly all free countries.
I'll take that as you saying what I said, we're the best country in the world.
celebrities like Justin Bieber just make me want to get a gun and shoot some body so the less the better
Look, how can I say this and not sound like a dick... It's that celebrities are artist and that makes them special. So you can hate Beiber, but you know him and he doesn't know you. Who wins that exchange?
Actually most people now days are looking to Australia as a country to migrate to, or new Zeland.
21 of the 25 most deadliest snakes live in Australia... no thanks. Don't honey badgers live there too? Fuck that, honey badgers don't care.
Yea and Mcdonalds provides the healthiest food
Good one!
- Oni

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Message 69 of 181 (649903)
01-26-2012 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by onifre
01-26-2012 10:14 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Bin Laden, Hussein, Ghaddafi - who killed those guys? Slovenia? Latvia? Peru? No sir, the US did. And hey rest of the world, you're welcome.
Yeah, we killed them...but only after we helped them come to power in the first place. If we had just left things alone, much of the Middle East would probably be a lot safer and hate us less.
It's that celebrities are artist and that makes them special.
The Kardashians are artists? If that's what art has fallen to, I grieve for our children.
21 of the 25 most deadliest snakes live in Australia
New Zealand has no indigenous, poisonous animals, IIRC.
The fact is, except for unnecessary military might, the US has fallen in every rank that matters (to most people) such as health, happiness, longevity, and standard of living.
The fact that we can blow up the world does nothing for me if I'm dead long before I would otherwise be in another country, and struggling just to eat while I am living.

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Message 70 of 181 (649907)
01-26-2012 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Perdition
01-26-2012 12:02 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Yeah, we killed them...but only after we helped them come to power in the first place
There is zero proof of that.
If we had just left things alone, much of the Middle East would probably be a lot safer and hate us less.
Except for that whole nasty civil war between themselves over three words in the Koran. Yeah, those are reasonable people who should be left alone and ignored.
As for hating us, I doubt we can change that opinion when the rest of the world has (even if they won't admit it) some envy of the US and it's celebrities and overall image. It's not our fault, that's just the culture these days.
The Kardashians are artists?
Um, she's on tv. So yeah.
If that's what art has fallen to, I grieve for our children.
The Kardashinas are the least of your worries when it comes to kids. Happy Meals should worry you more.
The fact is, except for unnecessary military might, the US has fallen in every rank that matters (to most people) such as health, happiness, longevity, and standard of living.
I just can't believe that's true. I see people at football games on tv, they are happy as shit! Old people too. With season passes. Happy, old people, watching football in great seats. You're telling me other countries have that? I didn't think so.
The fact that we can blow up the world does nothing for me if I'm dead long before I would otherwise be in another country, and struggling just to eat while I am living.
But that's how you rank a country, by it's military power and overall control. So it should make you proud actually. No one in the US is struggling to eat, believe me.
- Oni

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Message 71 of 181 (649910)
01-26-2012 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by onifre
01-26-2012 1:16 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
There is zero proof of that.
There is zero proof that we aided Saddam Hussein, or trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians? Really?
As for hating us, I doubt we can change that opinion when the rest of the world has (even if they won't admit it) some envy of the US and it's celebrities and overall image. It's not our fault, that's just the culture these days.
The overall image of America, during the past decade, was one of a bully. Most people don't envy bullies. If people envy America, it is for the ability of people to enter the country and make something of themselves...and ability that is not really a reality any more. So people from countries that are worse off than America want to come here. But how many immigrants do you see from Norway?
Um, she's on tv. So yeah.
That's the onyl criteria you need to be considered an artist? Does that mean any criminal who makes the news, or Dateline is an artist?
The Kardashinas are the least of your worries when it comes to kids. Happy Meals should worry you more.
Happy Meals are only a threat if I give them many of them, which I don't plan to do, so they're no threat at all.
What I am worried about is their mental development. Calling the Kardashians artists degrades the value of the word art.
I just can't believe that's true. I see people at football games on tv, they are happy as shit! Old people too. With season passes. Happy, old people, watching football in great seats. You're telling me other countries have that? I didn't think so.
Have you ever seen Brazillians at a soccer game?
And speaking of happiness, you need to take into account not just the thousands who go to football games, but the thousands or millions who contemplate suicide every day. And 3 hours of happiness at a football game can often be an attempt to escape the horribleness that is the rest of their lives.
So believe what you will. I'll believe the polls done over a wide spectrum of citizens to determine the voerall happiness of a country.
But that's how you rank a country, by it's military power and overall control.
That's how you rank a country. Not me.
So it should make you proud actually.
Considering we spend more than we need to on our military, and that almost all of the wars we've ever been in have been at our instigation, I'm less inclined to think that's a good thing. The bully who's bigger and stronger may be feared, but he doesn't have many friends, and is often depressed when not in a crowd.
No one in the US is struggling to eat, believe me.
Yes there are. Believe me.

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Message 72 of 181 (649914)
01-26-2012 2:18 PM
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01-26-2012 1:38 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
There is zero proof that we aided Saddam Hussein, or trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians? Really?
Hearsay mostly. But as far as wiki goes, there is zero tangible evidence.
The overall image of America, during the past decade, was one of a bully.
Liberal media propaganda.
Ask the Iraqi citizens that we liberated if we were bullies, or the Afghans when we killed the Taliban, or the miners from Chille when we saved their ass, if we are bullies.
A lot of people like to use the term bully way too freely. The US doesn't just invade a country willie nillie and push people around, we aren't Iran or Syria. Sometimes you have to kick a little butt to change the way people behave, but not all the time. I mean, how else do you propose we make middle easterners think like us? Ask them nicely?
That's the onyl criteria you need to be considered an artist? Does that mean any criminal who makes the news, or Dateline is an artist?
Don't be silly.
What I am worried about is their mental development. Calling the Kardashians artists degrades the value of the word art.
She's a model, can dance, has her own clothing line and fragrance, sings too... What else does one need to do to be an artist? She's been rewarded with a tv show for a reason. Networks don't make mistakes.
Have you ever seen Brazillians at a soccer game?
Yeah, it's chaos! I wouldn't compare that to watching a game at Soldier Field.
So believe what you will. I'll believe the polls done over a wide spectrum of citizens to determine the voerall happiness of a country.
I look around, I just don't see who is unhappy. Polls or not, go to a bar, everyone is having a good time watching a game on tv. Go to any one of the malls in the US, they're FULL. People aren't shopping like that if they're not happy.
Why would anyone want to commit suicide when they could hit an Applebees during happy hour and really enjoy themselves?
That's how you rank a country. Not me.
It's a simple ranking system. You don't need a bunch of polls and surveys of people or HUGE economical studies, or healthcare studies, etc... It's like football, the team who beats everyone is the Super Bowl champion. And this year it won't be the Packers.
So just imagine every other country in the world is the Green Bay Packers and the US is the NY Giants. Simple.
The bully who's bigger and stronger may be feared, but he doesn't have many friends, and is often depressed when not in a crowd.
For a country with not a lot of friends we sure have a lot of people around the world asking for hand outs.
Yes there are. Believe me.
I just jogged by a Mc Donalds, believe ME they're NOT struggling.
- Oni

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Message 73 of 181 (649924)
01-26-2012 3:16 PM
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Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Hearsay mostly. But as far as wiki goes, there is zero tangible evidence.
There's more than wiki available.
James Woolsey, LLB, MA, former Director of the CIA, on Apr. 2, 2003 stated the following at a teach-in at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA):
"Yes, it’s true. We did. We certainly didn’t put in Saddam, the Ba’athists did that on their own. But we did back him in some limited ways in the 1980s in the war against Iran. He represented himself to be, and the Reagan administration at the time felt that he was, essentially, the lesser of two evils. And what was weighing on American minds very heavily then was the Iranian revolution of 1979, and particularly the seizure of the American hostages, which absolutely enraged this country. And I think enrages a lot of people here still, and is a rather major barrier to an understanding to the American and Iranian people, which is something I would very much like to see take place.
But, yes, we backed Saddam in limited ways, mainly with intelligence information against Iran during the ’80s war between the two. But that shouldn’t mean that when we come to our senses we can’t take a different tact. Whether it was wise or unwise to back him, I think it was unwise, that doesn’t mean that we are forever locked into the proposition that we have to back Saddam Hussein."
To what extent did Saddam Hussein receive aid and support from the United States? - US - Iraq War - ProCon.org
Liberal media propaganda.
Show me a liberal media (with the possible exception of MSNBC) and maybe I'd believe this.
Ask the Iraqi citizens that we liberated if we were bullies, or the Afghans when we killed the Taliban, or the miners from Chille when we saved their ass, if we are bullies.
There's more people in the world than the ones we happened to liberate. But ask the family members of the innocent Iraqis we killed how they view us. Same for Afghanistan.
Then ask most Europeans. Ask most Asians. It was easier and safer, in the later half of the past decade to say you were Canadian when abroad than American. Not that you were really in danger, but people would treat you much better if they thought you weren't American. Thankfully, that's changed a bit. And Obama and the ending of the wars has much to do with that.
A lot of people like to use the term bully way too freely. The US doesn't just invade a country willie nillie and push people around, we aren't Iran or Syria.
No, we usually have very good reasons for invading other countries...usually that they're going to stop selling us whatever it is we buy from them at a cheap price in an attempt to make their countries more prosperous. Can't have that, bananas might cost 25 cents more per pound.
Sometimes you have to kick a little butt to change the way people behave, but not all the time. I mean, how else do you propose we make middle easterners think like us? Ask them nicely?
Why should they think like us? Are we the arbiters of morality and goodness? If so, is only because we have a larger army? Does might make right?
She's a model
Being attractive does not an artist make.
can dance
I've not seen ehr dance. This may be true, but go to any club, there are tons of people who can dance. I'd not consider this to be the makings of an artist unless its something you dedicate your life to.
has her own clothing line and fragrance
Again, not the makings of an artist...a mogul or businessperson, maybe.
sings too.
So does Paris Hilton, for very liberal usages of the word "sing."
What else does one need to do to be an artist? She's been rewarded with a tv show for a reason. Networks don't make mistakes.
Maybe something artistic? She was awarded a TV show because she's attractive and rich. Much the same reason much of the "housewives" on the various "Real Housewives" shows and the Jersey Shore
Yeah, it's chaos! I wouldn't compare that to watching a game at Soldier Field.
But you can't argue they're not happy or having fun. As for Soldier Field, the people are enjoying themselves, but they're also freezing their asses off.
I look around, I just don't see who is unhappy. Polls or not, go to a bar, everyone is having a good time watching a game on tv. Go to any one of the malls in the US, they're FULL. People aren't shopping like that if they're not happy.
I'm not happy when I'm shopping, why would anyone else be?
It's a simple ranking system. You don't need a bunch of polls and surveys of people or HUGE economical studies, or healthcare studies, etc... It's like football, the team who beats everyone is the Super Bowl champion. And this year it won't be the Packers.
Well, the Packers went 15-1, so they came the closest to "beating everyone." The winner of the Super Bowl is only the team that won their last 3 (or 4) games. Hardly everyone.
So just imagine every other country in the world is the Green Bay Packers and the US is the NY Giants. Simple.
Thus proving my point. The rest of the world (the Packers) is a better place to be.
For a country with not a lot of friends we sure have a lot of people around the world asking for hand outs.
We have money (though less and less), that means people will ask us for some of it. It doesn't create friends, just moochers.
I just jogged by a Mc Donalds, believe ME they're NOT struggling.
Firstly, the ones at McDonald's are succeeding in feeding themselves. That doesn't mean the success didn't come without a struggle. At the very least, they had to walk to their cars to get there.
Secondly, the people who are really struggling wouldn't be at McDonald's would they? If they can't afford to buy food, standing in front of a Micky D's would be pretty torturous.

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Message 74 of 181 (649936)
01-26-2012 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by onifre
01-26-2012 9:41 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
The new Oni is a dickwad
I don't like him.
Dark Oni writes:
I got one criteria: who wins in a fight.
Yeah well let's go then. Me and you muthafucka!! I'll kick your yanky ass.
Dark Oni writes:
The US is the best country in the world. I can say that proudly.
You can say that ignorantly. Other than NY City (which should be wholesale teleported to Western Europe) you can keep it.

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Message 75 of 181 (649939)
01-26-2012 4:00 PM
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01-26-2012 3:42 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
The new Oni is a dickwad I don't like him.
You would love him in the gym. Great workout partner.
Yeah well let's go then. Me and you muthafucka!! I'll kick your yanky ass.
Listen buck-o, you don't want to tangle with the likes of me, not these days especially. My squat presses alone would make you quiver in fear.
You can say that ignorantly. Other than NY City (which should be wholesale teleported to Western Europe) you can keep it.
New York is a great city, but you know what's a great city too? Alabama and Georgia.
- Oni

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