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Big_Al35
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Message 16 of 22 (749920)
02-10-2015 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Percy
02-09-2015 10:01 AM


Percy writes:
My son just accepted an entry level software engineering position right out of school and he's making much, much less, but he doesn't know anything yet, so maybe that's the kind of underpaid situation you had in mind.
Are you suggesting that someone with degrees in software engineering and mathematics, and 10 years of commercial software engineering experience - knows nothing simply because he is underpaid? Is that the sort of "intelligence" we are dealing with here?
Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 17 of 22 (749923)
02-10-2015 11:29 AM
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02-10-2015 11:02 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
Percy writes:
My son just accepted an entry level software engineering position right out of school and he's making much, much less, but he doesn't know anything yet, so maybe that's the kind of underpaid situation you had in mind.
Are you suggesting that someone with degrees in software engineering and mathematics, and 10 years of commercial software engineering experience - knows nothing simply because he is underpaid? Is that the sort of "intelligence" we are dealing with here?
Uh, no. I can't imagine how you got that idea.
I described my son who is right out of school, not someone with "degrees in software engineering and mathematics, and 10 years of commercial software engineering experience." When I said he doesn't know anything yet I meant he has no experience (at least not up until a few weeks ago), thereby explaining the low salary.
You said that software developers are often paid badly. I was merely pointing out that that is definitely not the case, unless, perhaps, you mean software developers with no experience, like my son.
There are already too few students majoring in software engineering in US colleges today. We don't need people spreading false information about low salaries that increase the reluctance to choose this major.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Big_Al35
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Message 18 of 22 (749938)
02-10-2015 1:39 PM
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02-10-2015 11:29 AM


Percy writes:
You said that software developers are often paid badly. I was merely pointing out that that is definitely not the case, unless, perhaps, you mean software developers with no experience, like my son.
There are already too few students majoring in software engineering in US colleges today. We don't need people spreading false information about low salaries that increase the reluctance to choose this major.
Well I appreciate your concerns about the state of the US economy and I am flattered that you think my opinion is concerned worthy enough to be listened to. I certainly wasn't trying to discourage anyone from pursuing a vocation that suits them. I am however entitled to speak from experience. Having said that my experience is mine alone and it doesn't mean that every software engineer is badly paid. As you pointed out many are well paid. Just like any industry, there are lucky individuals and less fortunate ones.
I did however, find it offensive that you equate low pay with not knowing anything - but I imagine that's not what you meant?

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Percy
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Message 19 of 22 (749941)
02-10-2015 2:30 PM
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02-10-2015 1:39 PM


Individual experiences will of course vary, but here's a table from the article The College Degrees With The Highest Starting Salaries:
Computer science is right up there. No one should avoid the field for fear it is low paying. Too few US students major in computer science. When we interview top recent graduates they're almost all from India and Asia.
--Percy

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Message 20 of 22 (749950)
02-10-2015 3:19 PM
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12-08-2014 7:46 AM


It's easy to believe Goddidit.
Education is hard.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Big_Al35
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Message 21 of 22 (749959)
02-10-2015 4:13 PM
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02-10-2015 2:30 PM


Percy writes:
Computer science is right up there. No one should avoid the field for fear it is low paying. Too few US students major in computer science. When we interview top recent graduates they're almost all from India and Asia.
Yes, I fear that a global and mobile workforce is helping to reduce salaries within western economies.
But our discussion reminds me of another saying - it's better to be at the bottom of a ladder that you want to climb, than to be at the top of a ladder that you never wanted to climb in the first place.

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Message 22 of 22 (749963)
02-10-2015 4:23 PM
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02-10-2015 4:13 PM


Big Al writes:
But our discussion reminds me of another saying - it's better to be at the bottom of a ladder that you want to climb, than to be at the top of a ladder that you never wanted to climb in the first place.
I'd say for certain that was invented by someone on the bottom rung.
I think this rings truer.
"I've been rich and I've been poor and I can tell you, rich is better."

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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