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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 29 of 860 (95486)
03-28-2004 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
03-28-2004 8:38 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
Do you have any evidence to present?

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Buzsaw
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Message 30 of 860 (95615)
03-29-2004 9:03 AM
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03-28-2004 9:03 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
Do you have any evidence to present?
Narry a speck, CA. Nada. Don't mind me. I'm just here practicing my typing lesson. You see, my goal is to get in the Guiness record book as the world's fastest typist.

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Message 31 of 860 (95627)
03-29-2004 9:36 AM
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03-28-2004 9:42 AM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
Why does the Bible give a different route then, in fact, why does it give two different routes?
How about presenting your specifics and we'll address them.
There is an abundance of archaeological and textual data that tells us how strict the Egyptians were in dealing with people crossing their borders, the Israelites could not have outran the Pharaoh's armies because they would actually be running right into some of them.
If you think the Egyptians would have armies defending the Nuweiba and the desert desolation of the Sinai continuously that's nuts. We can't even secure our borders with all our modern armies.
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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 32 of 860 (95754)
03-29-2004 7:40 PM
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03-29-2004 9:03 AM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
Narry a speck, CA. Nada. Don't mind me.
Oh, but I do, but that's not a matter for a public forum.
Tell me, please, when was this Exodus?

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Message 33 of 860 (96173)
03-30-2004 9:41 PM
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03-29-2004 7:40 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
Tell me, please, when was this Exodus?
Some time ago there was extensive debate on the time of the Exodus. It must be in the archives some place, but too extensive for this thread which focuses on the video concerning the evidence.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 34 of 860 (96180)
03-30-2004 10:03 PM
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03-30-2004 9:41 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
What does the video propose for a date?

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 860 (96186)
03-30-2004 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Brian
03-28-2004 4:23 AM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
So now we have two different Exoduses (yes it is a word), this one of Wyatt/Moller and the other one mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.
You need to be specific in order to address this. For example, the traditional Mt Sinai and the Sinai peninsula were evidently missnamed because the names originated from the Biblical account as I understand it. Mt Sinai is, according to the evidence of the video, more likely one and the same as what is known as Mt Horeb in Saudi Arabia and not in what became mistakenly known as the Sinai Peninsula.
Since this one is radically different from that of the Hebrew Bible,so radical in fact that it takes place at a different sea altogether, we must assume that there were two different events.
The Gulf Of Aqaba was likely considered part and parcel of the Red or Reed Sea.
Imo, nobody has proven that the Red Sea is incorrect. Why did the translators who are suppose to be the experts translate "Red?"
Evidently because what they were translating gave them reason to believe it was correct.
According to the text, one of the miracle plagues was that all the rivers and waters of Egypt were turned into either literal blood or blood red, becoming undrinkable and killing the fish. It is after this that the Bible calls the sea the Red Sea. This was, in fact done twice, once by Moses and Aaron and then by the pagan magicians. It would be logical that the red would dye the gulf red and that it could have become know as the Red Sea.

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 860 (96187)
03-30-2004 10:31 PM
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03-30-2004 10:03 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
What does the video propose for a date?
I only viewed the tape once. I plan to review it when I get time. I don't recollect it stating a specific date, but will get back to that after I review the tape.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 37 of 860 (96261)
03-31-2004 6:49 AM
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03-30-2004 10:31 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
Fair enough. Thanks.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 860 (96299)
03-31-2004 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Amlodhi
03-28-2004 2:22 PM


Re: no jumping
One example from things you mentioned, for specifics, would be the claim that unexplainedly burned rock (sometimes said to contain plant material melted into it) was found. Yet, Geologist Dr. John Morris states that, "the Jebel al-Lawz rock he examined is normal metamorphic rock typical for the volcanic area it came from, there was nothing strange about it nor any sign of plants melted into the rock."
I don't recall anything in the video or what I've read about melted plants. My understanding is that there is no typical volcanic rock either in the mountain top or in the area. For one thing, the mountain appears burnt only at the top as the scriptures state with no sign of lava rock ever flowing/falling down the sides. Morris has, imo been unfairly reluctant to acknowledge anything pertaining to Wyatt. My thinking is that he is not willing to admit his own errors in some archeological work he has been involved with in the Mideast, some of which has not produced anything significant. This is not to say that much of what he and his ICR has accomplished is not good.
The Saudi's aren't unaware of these artifacts and there's no deep dark mysterious secret here. Saudi Arabia is a member of ICOMOS, the International Council of Monuments and Sites. This is an "international non-governmental organization of professionals, dedicated to the conservation of [the] world's historic monuments and sites."
That is not to say they are willing to have anything removed for analysis.
Bob Cornuke, in his co-authored book "The Discovery of the Real Mr. Sinai", states that the fence surrounding Jebel al Lawz has a sign which reads, "No Trespassing Allowed. Violators will be put to death". Yet if one looks at the photograph in Blum?s book (which IIRC is "The Gold of Exodus"), the sign actually says,
?Archaeological area warning: It is unlawful to trespass. Violators are subject to penalties stipulated in the antiquities regulations passed by royal decree no. M 26, U 23.6.1392? (1998: plate 4, top)."
I guess it depends on what these royal decrees stipulate. Their numbers tell us nothing as to whether death penalty can be involved. These are the folks, you know, who think nothing of chopping off hands, feet and yes, heads.
No mystery. It's already an archaeological site and they (understandably) don't want trespassers kicking around and carting things off.
Tell it to Brian. I believe it was he who made a statement to the effect that the video was inadequate evidence.

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 860 (100315)
04-16-2004 12:23 AM


The fact is that there is more incentive for Christians and Biblicalists to verify the Exodus crossing in Aqaba than there is for Saudi Arabia, the Muslims and their Quran. After all it was the JEWS, decendents of Isaac, who were so wonderfully and supernaturally helped by the god Jehovah, the Christian and Jew god via the Exodus. It does nothing to advance the claims of the descendents of Ishmael, the Muslim god Allah, his prophet Mohammed and his book, the Quran.
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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 860 (102636)
04-25-2004 7:37 PM


Question: Has anyone besides myself on this entire forum view this amazing video in full? If you have, would you comment on your thoughts about what you saw?
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Message 41 of 860 (102642)
04-25-2004 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by ConsequentAtheist
03-30-2004 10:03 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
What does the video propose for a date?
It places it in the 18th dynasty, sometime in the 14th century BC. The four and six spoke chariot wheels, according to specimens in museums were unique to that Egyptian dynasty. I believe there was some mention of a possible later date but forgot exactly what that was about. The video also documents the diggings of some Austrian archeologists verifying the presence of Israel in Egypt. A site has been excavated of a foreign people located in Egypt. There is so much information in this video that I'll need to view it a couple more times to get it down pat.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 860 (102661)
04-25-2004 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Brian
03-28-2004 9:42 AM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three?
This 'find' does not provide scientific evidence for biblical truth, it is a different story.
Do you have a better explanation for the presence of a literal Egyptian 18th dynasty chariot junkyard all the way across the underwater sandbar in Aqaba?

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Message 43 of 860 (102675)
04-25-2004 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Buzsaw
04-25-2004 7:57 PM


Re: Two Exoduses, or maybe three? or anything at all?
Buz -
I have read the whole thread and watched your video trailers and done google searches. As far as I can see there is not sufficient credible evidence to make any conclusions that are not disputable. The pictures could be faked. The pictures could be of one chariot lost from on board a ship. The pictures could be of other wheels and axles altogether.
Certainly there is not one (1) ONE article in a peer reviewed journal about these that I could find. There is no dating of the artifacts, there is no indisputable evidence of there being chariots.
The fact that a documentary video is made when such evidence would be much more compelling if properly done in a scientific manner leads me to believe that it is just one more creatortionista hoax perpetuated on the gullible in accordance with the dictum of PT Barnum. Without corroborating evidence from another source I see no reason to give it more than superficial credence.
One gold wheel lying on the bottom after, what, 3000 years? Untouched? Not buried in sand? Looks like a planted 'artifake' to me.
Sorry.
ps -- coral will grow on anything that is not poisonous, they do not feed on what they grow on, so the comment about wood early in the thread is bogus. If gold had been found to have such qualities then it would be used for a bottom paint (as copper and other metals have been with limited success) -- trust me, millionaires would coat their racing yachts with it if it worked. Do a google on {antifoulant heavy metal} and see if you can find gold listed.

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