Resolved: The Bible does NOT present an acceptable moral standard

I notice that the thread "Does the Bible Condemn Homosexuality?" is nearing the curse of 300. It will likely be shut down soon, which is fine by me since I was becoming anxious to steer the argument into a different direction. I take the opportunity to do so now with a fresh, new thread.The final pages of the earlier thread have dealt with the story of Lot, his daughters and the city of Sodom. In several of my messages I cite the story itself as just one example of why the bible is not an acceptable moral guidebook.So far no one has wanted to take up the issue of the bible's dubious moral authority, so I've chosen this rather more provacative means (with thanks to WFB, Jr.) of raising the issue and begging responses.Note: I realize that there is a thread entitled 'do you think morals and god go hand in hand?' over in the Faith and Belief forum, but that discussion is not about the bible specifically. This one is.

the moral standard(s)of the Bible is flawed in so many parts. yet in some sections, there is one good thing i found:Psalm 37:27-29i dunno, what you think?

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-Patio"Which is it: Is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s?"
-Friedrich Nietzsche

I will no doubt get my hand slapped for this, but I find it to be a remarkably childish and ill-formed question.

Patio:What do those odd symbols in your post mean ?

I tried to put the question as provacatively as I could. I felt that that way I'd be more likely to get reponses than if I'd simply asked "Is the bible a good moral guide?". I might have made a mistake, but that was my thinking.

Berberry, no the bible is not a good moral guide when you consider canalbalism,genocide,murder,rape,incest,torture, to name a few. Inconsistant and open to differing interps leave to many open holes.
I think Lord of the Rings was better.

wierd symbols?? was it from the Psalm reading I gave?

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-Patio"Which is it: Is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s?"
-Friedrich Nietzsche

wierd symbols?? was it from the Psalm reading I gave?[This message has been edited by patio furniture, 03-30-2004]

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-Patio"Which is it: Is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s?"
-Friedrich Nietzsche

Apparently, this thread has been obviated since the thread "Does the Bible Condemn Homosexuality?" has been allowed to continue past post 300. The discussion I intended to have here has now become one strand of the older thread. My apologies for the wasted space.

Infact if you actually read the bible you can see how it comes together morally. Maybe in independent books it would not make sense to you - but together it does.Take the Ten Commandments for example, a lot of people look at the events in the Jewish bible and immediately throw it down. I would ask you to look at the teachings for a change. The new commandments spoken of by Jesus are very moral and they show that if we love each other we will fulfill the law as love works no ill to anyone else. Unfortunately, people would rather point to G-d's actions as spoken of in the Jewish written Torah with no vowels included, and try to judge what he done instead of concentrating on what he says do. They miss the fact that if you look at the Ten Commandments for example, well, how more moral can you get?
Thou shalt not kill - Would you say that's a wrong teaching?
Thou shalt not commit adultery - Would you say that's a wrong teaching? Would you say it is moral?Could someone SHOW me how the bible does not meet an acceptable moral standard if we concentrate on the parts mentioning us?Case closed.

Perhaps you should ask the Midianites?

MTW Your child is being macheted by a religious zealot. You have a weapon of your own which you can use to save your child but will likely kill the person in the process.Do you save your child or trust in the commandment?The problem for myself is that I would kill the man outright no hesitation. In my worldview no God exists so to allow such a travesty is abhorrent to me.It is my opinion that the commandments cannot apply in all situations since humans are not simple social creatures.If I covet ny neighbours vehicle and purchase one of my own is that a sin?[This message has been edited by sidelined, 03-30-2004]

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'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

mike the wiz prattles:

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Infact if you actually read the bible you can see how it comes together morally. Maybe in independent books it would not make sense to you - but together it does.

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But I thought the bible was supposed to be a perfect book. Why would God conceal his moral message from anyone who doesn't read the entirety of what amounts to a small library?Tell me, how do the stories of Lot, the Midianites, the Amalekites, Hagar, the wives and children of the apostles whose husbands/dads had abandoned them, et. al. ad nauseum all "come together" in the end to present a wonderful set of moral values?

Yeah, LOTR is a great story. I read the book decades ago but still haven't got round to watching the film. I never thought it could be filmed, and I'm not sure I want to replace the images in my mind with those of the film producers.

Forgive me, but I would hope that I would thoroughly smite that man in pieces and dash him to bits, though I don't encourage such activity, I love babies and children and cannot abide them being hurt. Nevertheless, I am talking about murder, not smitage of the wicked in bizarre circumstances. Also, I suppose we could just stop the evil child-killer without killing him, but then even if you did kill him there are examples in the bible that G-d forgives, G-d is not a fool that he cannot discern a situation, afterall - we all fall short of the commandments. Either way, the Commandment - as Schraff' usually points out is to do with murder for no reason. I suppose you have a bit of a situation here - I still think the teaching is mainly a good and moral one though. I agree partially, that is why I say that the full bible gives us a complete teaching.