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ramoss
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Message 106 of 113 (232408)
08-11-2005 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Tal
08-11-2005 2:08 PM


Re: Moderator Request for Tal
There is much evidence that antiquites 18, which discuss's jesus is a 4th century interpolition, and not part of the original antiquities. Even the most conservative christian scholars that use that as 'historical' evidence will admit that it at least was tampered with.
Since it was at least tampered with, what evidence do you have that it was not inserted in total in the 4th century.
I will point out that Orgien quoted from Antiquities 18 when showing that John the Baptist was historical.. but he failed to use such a dramatic passage from the same book. He wrote just a century earlier than the quote from that from Erubius in the 4th century.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 107 of 113 (232409)
08-11-2005 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Rahvin
08-11-2005 3:24 PM


Re: Moderator Request for Talopted
This appears to show that Christianity is a copy of a previous faith. What say you?
Modern scholarship pretty much discounts this.
See, e.g., Roman Cult of Mithras: The God and His Mysteries
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Rahvin
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Message 108 of 113 (232418)
08-11-2005 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ConsequentAtheist
08-11-2005 4:06 PM


Re: Moderator Request for Talopted
Modern scholarship pretty much discounts this.
Good to know, but could you perhaps be a bit more specific? Pointing out a link to a book doesn't help much. Do you happen to recall what it is that modern scholarship actually says on the topic?

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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ConsequentAtheist
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Message 109 of 113 (232420)
08-11-2005 4:43 PM
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08-11-2005 4:25 PM


Re: Moderator Request for Talopted
See here.

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Rahvin
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Message 110 of 113 (232425)
08-11-2005 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by ConsequentAtheist
08-11-2005 4:43 PM


Re: Moderator Request for Talopted
Many thanks - that clears it up nicely.
My questions about Mithaism have been answered and are retracted.
Tal, you still have the rest of my post to respond to.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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jar
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Message 111 of 113 (232429)
08-11-2005 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Tal
08-11-2005 1:44 PM


Which Darius?
I know of three rulers named Darius in Persian History, Darius I around 522 BC, Darius second that lived around 424 BC and Darius III that live around 380-330 BC. None of them are identified as Darius the son of Ahasuerus.
Now Daniel 9 identifies the period for the arival of the Annointed One as coming 69 (in one place)
25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing.
or 70 (in another place)
24 "Seventy 'sevens' [c] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish [d] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. [e]
weeks afterwards.
Which of the Darius characters was the one that lived 69 or 70 weeks before Jesus?
AbE:
edited to fix subtitle.
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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Modulous
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Message 112 of 113 (232535)
08-12-2005 8:01 AM
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08-09-2005 2:22 PM


I'll respond when Wolf does. Thank you all for pissing in my wheaties.
Thought you might have missed Wolf's Message 34

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tsig
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Message 113 of 113 (232784)
08-12-2005 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by jar
08-11-2005 10:24 AM


Living the life
It's time for Christians to quit dealing with nonsense Proofs and to begin living the live of Christ.
Derail::I have heard that statement before and am interested, maybe a new thread? Rerail
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