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Panda
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Message 691 of 1485 (651692)
02-09-2012 10:31 AM
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02-09-2012 10:14 AM


Re: Things Rick Santorum Either Doesn't Know Or Doesn't Care About
jar writes:
Remember Jesus was a nice Jewish boy.
I think he was considered to be a bit of a blasphemer though...

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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jar
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Message 692 of 1485 (651693)
02-09-2012 10:33 AM
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02-09-2012 10:31 AM


Re: Things Rick Santorum Either Doesn't Know Or Doesn't Care About
But if he had only found a nice Jewish girl maybe he would have become a doctor and healed people.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Perdition
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Message 693 of 1485 (651700)
02-09-2012 12:07 PM
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02-09-2012 10:33 AM


Re: Things Rick Santorum Either Doesn't Know Or Doesn't Care About
But if he had only found a nice Jewish girl maybe he would have become a doctor and healed people.
Unfortunately, he just couldn't ignore all the other girls' Shiksappeal.

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shadow71
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Message 694 of 1485 (651704)
02-09-2012 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 680 by nwr
02-08-2012 9:39 AM


Re: In Late News ...
nwr writes:
You are mostly seeing the extreme views. The crazies are more outspoken than the rest of the population.
No, it is mostly racism. There's nothing in Obama's positions that is a problem for most Americans. However, those who are racist have to paint Obama as being some sort of extremist. They can't just complain that he is black, because such overt racism is not acceptable today. So their egos demand that they distinguish themselves from Obama in other ways. Accusing him of being a left extremist seems to be what they have settled on. But, as a result, they find themselves forced to support insanely rightist positions to contrast themselves with Obama.
Excellent post nwr. I agree with you completely. That may be a first for you and I on this board.

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Message 695 of 1485 (651710)
02-09-2012 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 694 by shadow71
02-09-2012 12:45 PM


Re: In Late News ...
shadow71 writes:
Excellent post nwr. I agree with you completely. That may be a first for you and I on this board.
Hmm. Maybe I will have to rethink my views
I see this from the vantage point of a college campus. After the civil right legislation of the 1960s, there was an opening up of admission policies to achieve a more balanced student population. But when you looked around, you would see very little mixing of the races. The black students would walk and talk with other black students, they would eat at black tables. And the same could be said of white students.
Today, it is very different. There is a lot more mixing. This is a huge change. Obama could not have been elected without that change. But it is a change mainly in the younger generation.
If you look at the older generation, there has not been as much of a change. I suppose that's because one's outlook on these things is formed while young. There has still been some change. Many older folk are reasonably comfortable with the taxi driver being black, or the sales clerk at the local store being black. But apparently, a black president is a step too far for some of them to accept.
All in all, I think the change that I see among college students is an indicator of an improvement in racial relations. And, at the same time, the openness of Internet communication might well cause a move away from the more fundamentalist brands of religion. We are currently at an awkward crossroad in an era of change. And the current Republican madness is caught up in the contradiction of that transition.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Perdition
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Message 696 of 1485 (651722)
02-09-2012 2:58 PM
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02-09-2012 1:54 PM


Re: In Late News ...
And the current Republican madness is caught up in the contradiction of that transition.
While I agree that racism, both latent and outspoken, plays a huge part in this, I wouldn't say it's the only problem.
The last two Democratic presidents we've had: Clinton and Obama, were both more centrist than liberal. However, the Republican Party always labels the Democratic president or candidate as "liberal."
This leads to the same end as your speak about with regard to racism, the Republicans have to adopt ever more right-wing policies and ideas in order to keep a distance from the centrist positions of their opponents.
You see with respect to Romney, who, despite his many, many faults, signed a pretty good healthcare bill when governor of Massachusetts. It's pretty close to the one Obama signed as president. It's pretty centrist. The liberals feel it doesn't go far enough, the conservatives think its a huge overreach.
But despite the fact that it's a centrist bill, it's vilified as liberal, and since Romney signed a similar one, he must be liberal, too.
It's really a case of two centrists, coming to the center from opposite sides.

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nwr
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Message 697 of 1485 (651725)
02-09-2012 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 696 by Perdition
02-09-2012 2:58 PM


Re: In Late News ...
Perdition writes:
The last two Democratic presidents we've had: Clinton and Obama, were both more centrist than liberal. However, the Republican Party always labels the Democratic president or candidate as "liberal."
The public, for the most part, is more centrist than liberal.
I have been saying that the Republicans are unfit to govern, since around 1990. That's about when they got seriously into this labeling and into avoiding actual discussions of policy. Gingrich is at least partly to blame, though he is not the only one.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Perdition
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Message 698 of 1485 (651728)
02-09-2012 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by nwr
02-09-2012 3:10 PM


Re: In Late News ...
The public, for the most part, is more centrist than liberal.
Well, in one sense, this is a tautology.
I can't link to any polls off the top of my head, I may be able to find some done, but when people are asked whether they're conservative or liberal, most people say conservative. The republicans then crow about this and claim that the country is right with them and is moving to the right.
However, when they are asked about certain policies, without labelling either as liberal or conservative, most agree more strongly with the liberal position. Now, this may be because they are centrist and the conservative idea is just way too out there, or it may mean they are, in fact, more left leaning than they even realize.
In general, I would agree that most people, when aggregated, would be more centrist than liberal, but I also think "centrist" is a bit more to the left than most people would think.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 699 of 1485 (651730)
02-09-2012 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 696 by Perdition
02-09-2012 2:58 PM


Re: In Late News ...
This leads to the same end as your speak about with regard to racism, the Republicans have to adopt ever more right-wing policies and ideas in order to keep a distance from the centrist positions of their opponents.
Something I've noted is that when conservatives talk about their opponents, they always identify them as being members of the "far left" or the "extremist left" or the "radical left". Now, there must actually be people who are members of the moderate left just as there are moderate conservatives. But the Right never ever even postulates the existence of such people. I have never seen a conservative use the phrase "moderate left" about anyone. According to them, if you're to the left of them, you're a member of the "extreme left". Actually, you're a communist. There is no middle ground. When, as you say, they "keep a distance from the centrist positions of their opponents", they do so by explaining that they themselves are near the center, but their opponents (such as Obama, a conciliatory centrist if we've ever seen one) are "leftist extremists".

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Perdition
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Message 700 of 1485 (651745)
02-09-2012 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 699 by Dr Adequate
02-09-2012 3:45 PM


Re: In Late News ...
When, as you say, they "keep a distance from the centrist positions of their opponents", they do so by explaining that they themselves are near the center, but their opponents (such as Obama, a conciliatory centrist if we've ever seen one) are "leftist extremists".
Exactly. They've done a masterful job of making the word "liberal" into a dirty word, and can now use it with impunity on anyone who is even moderately to the left of them.
And you're right, it's never "moderate left" or even "leftist" it's always got an extreme adjective attached.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 701 of 1485 (653096)
02-17-2012 11:33 PM


Things Mitt Romney Likes
Tree height. Apparently.
On the campaign trail in Michigan, Mitt Romney listed what he loves about his birth state. The people, the cars, the lakes, the air — and even the trees. The trees are just the right height, he said, without explanation.
Does he have a legislative program to make all the trees just the right height? The ones round here aren't tall enough and I demand action. The free market has failed!
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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crashfrog
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Message 702 of 1485 (653148)
02-18-2012 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 701 by Dr Adequate
02-17-2012 11:33 PM


Re: Things Mitt Romney Likes
Tree height. Apparently.
They remind him of his home planet, you see.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 703 of 1485 (653184)
02-19-2012 1:13 AM


People Rick Santorum Doesn't Like
Liberals, gay people, people who use contraception, Protestants ...
... wait, what?
Speaking to an audience of Catholics, he said:
Of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.
This, of course, he blames on Satan, which is hardly surprising given that that's who Catholics blamed for Protestantism in the first place.
I think in retrospect he will find that this is an opinion he would have done better to keep to himself.

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kjsimons
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Message 704 of 1485 (653296)
02-19-2012 8:22 PM


Rick Santorum on euthanasia in the Netherlands
Moron actually thinks that half of all people euthanized in the Netherlands had it done against their will. Please don't let him get the nomination!
Edited by kjsimons, : Fix video posting.

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Taz
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Message 705 of 1485 (653350)
02-20-2012 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 704 by kjsimons
02-19-2012 8:22 PM


Re: Rick Santorum on euthanasia in the Netherlands
This clown has risen up to the top of the GOP candidacy.

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