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Dr_Tazimus_maximus Member (Idle past 3244 days) Posts: 402 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Joined: |
quote: I take it that you have never suffered through a semester or even ( ------------------"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur Taz
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Dr_Tazimus_maximus Member (Idle past 3244 days) Posts: 402 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Joined: |
quote: Hey Peter, what do you think of the concept that time, per say, is really only a measure of the increase in the universal entropy. And, just so that there is no confusion, I understand that while entropy may be increasing as a universal measure, it has local flucuations, ie areas of negative entropy, that can partially account for things such as life and evolution. God, that was a long sentance Arggghhhh, forgot my signature"Chance Favors the Prepared Mind" L. Pasteur Taz [This message has been edited by Dr_Tazimus_maximus, 04-01-2002]
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Dr_Tazimus_maximus Member (Idle past 3244 days) Posts: 402 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Joined: |
quote: Uhhh, not to nit-pick ------------------"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur Taz
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Blackroseuk Junior Member (Idle past 4491 days) Posts: 2 From: United kingdom Joined: |
I agree as you say 'something' had to create the first ever living things wether that is bacteria or whatever. But if that something is a someone, say God then, he too had to be created also. The answer God has always been there does not make sense anymore so than someone telling a creationist that evolution does not make sense.
So who or what created God then? No one will ever know how everything came about in the whole universe. It's not just earth...its everything.
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
Hi Blackroseuk. This thread hasn't had any meaningful dialogue in it for about 10 years. There are probably more active threads that you can peruse.
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Blackroseuk Junior Member (Idle past 4491 days) Posts: 2 From: United kingdom Joined: |
Haha I didn't notice. Ok, thanks
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Easiest way to find recent topics is to click on the "all topics" link at the top. That way, you can see all of the most recent ones in somewhat of a chronological order, albeit not in order by topic so you need to be careful what you post.
Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
if you're going to quote huge chunks of someone else's writings it's best practice to reference them.
Lorenzo7 writes:
For example, let's look at three claims of evidence for Darwinian evolution often cited by high school textbooks. First, as the use of antibiotics hasbecome common, mutant strains of resistant bacteria have become more common, threatening public health. Second, darkcolored variants of a certain moth species evaded predation by birds because their color matched the sooty tree trunks of industrial England. Third, the embryos of fish, amphibians, birds and mammals look virtually identical in an early stage of development, becoming different only at later stages. Teach Evolution and Ask Hard Questions By Michael J. BeheMichael J. Behe, Professor of Biological Sciences at Lehigh University, is author of Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution. For example, let's look at three claims of evidence for Darwinian evolution often cited by high school textbooks. First, as the use of antibiotics has become common, mutant strains of resistant bacteria have become more common, threatening public health. Second, darkcolored variants of a certain moth species evaded predation by birds because their color matched the sooty tree trunks of industrial England. Third, the embryos of fish, amphibians, birds and mammals look virtually identical in an early stage of development, becoming different only at later stages. http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mb_ksnytb81399.htmLife, don't talk to me about life. (Marvin the Paranoid Android)
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amp1022 Junior Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 13 Joined: |
By Michael J. Behe Michael J. Behe, Professor of Biological Sciences at Lehigh University, is author of Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution. For example, let's look at three claims of evidence for Darwinian evolution often cited by high school textbooks. First, as the use of antibiotics has become common, mutant strains of resistant bacteria have become more common, threatening public health. Second, darkcolored variants of a certain moth species evaded predation by birds because their color matched the sooty tree trunks of industrial England. Third, the embryos of fish, amphibians, birds and mammals look virtually identical in an early stage of development, becoming different only at later stages. http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mb_ksnytb81399.htm I did not read every post in this forum so forgive me if I am a little off subject here. I just wanted to comment on this particular quote. I just noticed that there is not one single reference to a species evolving into a completely different species. I know its an old question but it has yet to be answered. Is there any example anywhere in recorded history of one species mutating into a fully separate species? I am willing to bet I won't get a single straight answer referencing an actual recorded event.Common sense will answer most questions that science struggles with.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There are millions of such examples, many ongoing today.
Lizard Evolution in ActionAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I am willing to bet I won't get a single straight answer referencing an actual recorded event. You're right that you won't get a single answer, because here is a list of a dozen such records:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html It does, of course, take very many generations for a new species to arise from an old one, so we primarily observe it happening in species that reproduce quite quickly. But we can, of course, see evidence of speciation in both the fossil record and in the genetic code.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
First: define species. A common problem in this line of argument with creationists is an inability to agree on commonly agreed upon terms. I could assume that you are using the definition of species accepted by science, but I could be very well wrong because creationists tend to pick and choose what science topics they accept.
Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I did not read every post in this forum so forgive me if I am a little off subject here. I just wanted to comment on this particular quote. I just noticed that there is not one single reference to a species evolving into a completely different species. I know its an old question but it has yet to be answered. Is there any example anywhere in recorded history of one species mutating into a fully separate species? I am willing to bet I won't get a single straight answer referencing an actual recorded event. Since examples have been given by other posters, I'd just like to point out a strange inconsistency in creationist rhetoric. Let's hear it from creation.com, in their list of "Arguments we think creationists should NOT use".
‘No new species have been produced.’ This is not truenew species have been observed to form. In fact, rapid speciation is an important part of the creation model. So, could you guys sort this out among yourselves? According to you, new species don't arise, and this is a creationist argument. According to creation.com, new species have been observed to form, and this is "an important part of the creation model". So some creationists say that this doesn't happen, and some say that it does, but all creationists claim that whatever happens it supports creationism.
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amp1022 Junior Member (Idle past 4460 days) Posts: 13 Joined: |
Ok... not one single example. Even the things you all referenced do not actually have a recorded example of this happening. Can any of you give me the name of an animal that started as one animal, then became a completely different animal. As in catfish becomes seagull, or frog becomes sloth, or termite becomes turtle. Nope, I am very confident that you all will point out the millions of examples, but not actually name a single one. Why? Because the best you can do is find a bunch of similar fossils, or disfigured fossils and line them up so they look like one came from another. I can do the same thing to prove that Beach balls come from peas. Pea, jawbreaker, golf ball, baseball, softball, kickball, basketball, beach ball. All round, each one is larger and more complex than the next, yet no one has ever seen a pea evolve into a jawbreaker. Do not focus on whether or not peas become jawbreakers. DESCRIBE one of the millions of examples of one species evolving into a completely different species. Actually say the names of the animals and the records showing the evolution. Not lined up fossils but an actual recorded incident. I'm debating whether I should even bother checking back for a straight answer. I am sure you will just insult me and remind me of the millions of examples no one wants to actually describe.
You're right that you won't get a single answer, because here is a list of a dozen such records: Observed Instances of Speciation I took a long look at that, its a very long record of people finding variations in species (not one species becoming another) or men producing new species by hybridization, which is not the same as evolution since that breeding would not have occurred in nature. Edited by amp1022, : No reason given.Common sense will answer most questions that science struggles with.
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