Bible Question: What was the First Sin?

I dont think ignorance is an excuse!In fact it cant be, as you pointed out, Adam and Eve were ignorant about good and evil, they were still punished for doing an evil act.Theres a logical error in your thinking.You say that sin takes thought, you need to think evil to know you are doing it.But, Adam and Eve didn't know what evil was, yet they still sinned and were punished for it, we are all potentially punished for it.Therefore, because God punished Adam and Eve for sinning, and they didn't know what evil was, then God obviously doesn't take ignorance as an excuse.But the Good News is, Jesus can take away your sin, he died for us all on that Cross on Calvary, his blood shall cleanse your filthy evil body! Yikes, throwback to a previous life! LOLI do agree with you however, to any outsider looking in, or really to any semi-objective person, the whole myth of Adam and Eve sinning is so internally flawed that I really think a 12 year old child could deconstruct it and prove that it is nonsense.Brian.

Hiya, You are basing this on what, the same limited sources as I base my argument on! LOLHow do you know that Adam didnt desire to be like God before Eve was created, Adam was first to see how wonderfully powerful God was, therefore, perhaps Adam was first to desire to be like God?I obivously agree that the Bible can only give us so much information, but my claim that Eve lied is in the Bible, it was important enough for God's messengers to record in his Book!Brian

This is a cool forum so I will put my to cents in.My impression is that the original sin was Gods' since none of the things following creation could have had any impetus except by his creation of it and this would include"original sin" Of course I sure God could always blame his parents for not being there when he needed them but as we all know (those of us who are parents anyway)he probably wouldn't have listened anyway

Hi Sidelined! Welcome aboard!Are you related to or a friend of Late_Cretaceous, by any chance? He posted a few messages back in February of 2002, but he hasn't been heard from since. He's also from Edmonton, Alberta, and I noticed you both have the same IP address, so I'm curious.------------------

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yeah I would say God did the first sin by lying to Adam and Eve

No I am not related to Late_cretaceous and the reason for the same ip address is probably that we both use shaw highspeed internet and the ip address is theirs

So is Eve called a liar in the Bible for that first sin?It's still bunk! LOL... and people say the evolutionary record has holes? Whateva!

Hi,Well we all know it is bunk! LOLThe story of Adam and Eve isn't meant to be taken literally, it is just a story to explain why there is so much evil and nastiness in the world. The ancient Israelites couldn't blame God for the evil in the world so they had to think up a story to explain it.The authors were writing in a part of the world where the concept of a 'Golden Age' was well established in the beliefs of the people. The Israelites had to explain how their particular Golden Age came to an end. Why didn't humans and the Gods mingle and dance and sing together anymore, well it HAD to be man's fault didn't it?The Hebrew Bible is an amazing collection of books, no ancient literature come close to challenging it, but to take it literally is a mistake, it wasn't written as an accurate account of anything.Brian.

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No, the sin would be being ashamed of their nakedness, which came after the tree incident.

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So it isn't a sin until you feel guilty about it? So psychopaths who don't care what it is they are doing aren't really sinning?------------------
Rrhain
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mike the wiz:

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Actually your all wrong.Eve taking the fruit was first,

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Says who? The people who have an agenda to push? Why should we believe them?

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Also, the serpant was a false witness or 'liar' suggesting they would benefit from taking the fruit.

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Not at all. The serpent didn't lie in the slightest. In fact, he corrected god's lie.You will note that the serpent did not tell Eve to eat from the tree.

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So the serpant brought the evil and Adam and Eve were tempted.

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How is telling the truth "evil"? How is pointing out someone's bare-faced lie "evil"?

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I am guessing I will be hung, drawn and quartered for having this opinion, but thats all it is really.

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You are free to have whatever opinion you wish.

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will I recieve a five page retort from Rhain.lol

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Oh, I see...taking a person's post seriously and providing a thorough response is something to sneer at. You'd prefer people just take what you say at face value and not give your words any real thought?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Brian writes:

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I think a sin is a sin whether you know you are committing it or not.

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Then I was right...the first sin was running around naked. The very first thing Adam and Eve panic over after eating from the Tree of Knowledge and learning about good and evil and what to feel guilty over is the fact that they are naked. It wasn't eating from the tree.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Is there an actual Biblical basis to the idea that nudity is a sin? Just because they feel ashamed and embarassed doesn't mean that they're hell-bound, now. And they were married, right?Why is it any more sinful for Adam to be naked with his wife than for me with mine?

'Oh, I see...taking a person's post seriously and providing a thorough response is something to sneer at'It was so obviously a joke!
Do you really want to go on about the serpant again? as we have done that previously, so why go over it again?

Thank you Brian.You just show that at least Eve knows what she is doing(although you say she didnt know, making her innocent).
Let me explain.
The Word of the Lord says that we not only have to avoid sin but also that we have to run from it(literally not touch the fruit).
God didnt command it this way to our first fathers but Eve knows it because she has the INNER REVELATION of it.It happens because before the sin she isnt far from God.And note that the Bible didnt existed in Evas time.She knows more from the will of God that you think she know making her not so innocent.

Hi, Really, where have I shown that Eve knows what she was doing? This is the Word of God that Eve had no access to, the Word of God written down 3500 years after Eve was dead and gone. This is based on what? None of us are ever far from God. This is based on what evidence?Could you perhaps explain a little more for me exactly what it is you are getting at?I do apologise but I am not sure exactly what your point is.Brian.