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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
Faith 
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Message 61 of 381 (812985)
06-22-2017 2:32 AM
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06-22-2017 2:26 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
No sane society ignores illegality, but your Marxist theory wants to do just that, and you turn anyone who objects into an oppressor according to your Marxist formula, just one of the many ways Marxism tears down everything sane, orderly and right. "Undocumented brown Latinos" is just a Marxist euphemism for people who are violating the law.

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Message 62 of 381 (812986)
06-22-2017 2:40 AM
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06-22-2017 2:32 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
"No sane society ignores illegality" is just a euphemism for "I was just following orders." Didn't turn out well at Nuremberg, so can't guarantee it'll turn out well for Trump-loving fascists, either.

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Faith 
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Message 63 of 381 (812987)
06-22-2017 2:44 AM
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06-22-2017 2:40 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
That is the most pernicious insane equation you've come up with yet. No, maybe your comparison of US immigration law with the Spanish Inquisition is worse. You are indeed flirting with treason, and so are many Leftists.
Calling Trump a fascist and defying our legitimate laws is in fact an expression of Leftist fascism, already way too influential in American politics.
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Message 64 of 381 (812989)
06-22-2017 3:04 AM
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06-22-2017 2:44 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
You're not understanding nuance here, are you? The comparison is not between U.S. immigration law and the Spanish Inquisition or Nuremberg Trials. The comparison is between your absolute allegiance to that which is legal and legally ordained, and the same unquestioning devotion to the law and commands that Spanish soldiers and Nazi officers adhered to. The laws behind the Spanish Inquisition were vastly different than U.S. immigration law, and existed under extraordinarily different circumstances and for extraordinarily different reasons.
But the problem here -- the intellectual or ideological problem -- is that you seem to think that "Just following orders/just following the law" does, in fact, justify any action, no matter what the cost to human dignity, ethics, and actual justice.
But hey, at least your prose is getting more readable.
Also: you can't simultaneously call me "the real fascist" and then turn around and accuse me of treason. First Amendment, yo.
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Faith 
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Message 65 of 381 (812990)
06-22-2017 3:11 AM
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06-22-2017 3:04 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
You've absolutely made up your portrait of me out of whole cloth. I have never said one thing to justify such an idea of some kind of slavish obedience to law. There is nothing unjust about a law against illegally coming into the country. It's crazy to claim there is. Screaming bonkers crazy destructive.
Here I thought maybe I could make an effort to absorb some Marxist theory for the sake of discussion. Forget it, the Marxism-besotted Left is just as insane as I've said it is, insane, mean, twisted, dedicated to the Marxist formula that invents enemies called Oppressors and Victims to justify their hatred of the supposed Oppressors. Designed to destroy all civility and reason.
So much for discussion.
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Message 66 of 381 (812991)
06-22-2017 3:16 AM
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06-22-2017 3:11 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
. I have never said one thing to justify such an idea of some kind of slavish obedience to law.
If you don't have that kind of slavish obedience to law, then why are you so much more willing to spring to the defense of laws created by a cluster of right-wing oligarchs than to the defense of a family fleeing from gang violence or murderous poverty?

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Faith 
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Message 67 of 381 (812992)
06-22-2017 3:23 AM
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06-22-2017 3:16 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
If you want to help people you don't do it by violating American law. There are millions, billions, of suffering people in this world and you want to destroy all law and order for the sake of a few? In the process causing hardship to Americans? Why don't you move to Mexico and help the people where they live? Instead of forcing your insane Marxist views on this nation go do it to Mexico.
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Message 68 of 381 (812994)
06-22-2017 3:26 AM
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06-22-2017 3:23 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
If you want to help people you don't do it by violating American law.
Is it your opinion that Harriet Tubman should have followed this advice? Just looking for intellectual consistency here, Faith.

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Faith 
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Message 69 of 381 (812996)
06-22-2017 3:45 AM
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06-22-2017 3:26 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
Harriet Tubman was an American. I've never said there aren't unjust laws. American immigration law is not unjust. Your twisted mind is a sad legacy of the Marxist undermining of American education since the sixties. Marxism is sheer evil masquerading as good, just the way the devil loves to do it. Aiding illegal border crashers should get a person prosecuted and thrown in prison for a few months. That includes people looking for cheap labor and it includes wacko do-gooders.

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Message 70 of 381 (812999)
06-22-2017 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
06-22-2017 3:45 AM


the law and the implementation
Faith writes:
American immigration law is not unjust.
There is a big difference between immigration laws and immigration enforcement. The issue is that the implementation is unjust.

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JonF
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Message 71 of 381 (813004)
06-22-2017 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Genomicus
06-22-2017 2:26 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
But that's concern for your neighbor unless they're undocumented, brown Latinxs, right?
Or muslim.
Or Roman Catholic.
Or, I suspect, a member of any of several other groups as yet unidentified.

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Message 72 of 381 (813005)
06-22-2017 8:53 AM
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06-22-2017 3:45 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
Harriet Tubman was an American. I've never said there aren't unjust laws.
But remember if you want to help people you don't do it by violating American law.

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Faith 
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Message 73 of 381 (813007)
06-22-2017 9:36 AM
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06-22-2017 8:53 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
Yes, that is correct, you don't violate American law, there is no reason to in most cases either. You are always free to work to change the law and that's the right thing to do. It is an extreme situation when a person is forced to disobey the law. Immigration is not that situation, and violators should be prosecuted.

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Faith 
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Message 74 of 381 (813008)
06-22-2017 9:39 AM
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06-22-2017 7:59 AM


Re: the law and the implementation
If the implementation is unjust then see what can be done to change it, stop screaming about Trump and go about legally changing what needs to be changed. Legally, with respect for law.

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Faith 
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Message 75 of 381 (813009)
06-22-2017 9:41 AM
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06-22-2017 8:51 AM


Re: Critical Theory?
Yes, Islam is an evil murderous ideology. Roman Catholics who aid illegal immigrants should be prosecuted.

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