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1.61803 Member Posts: 2926 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Thats fantastic! Could you be so kind as to share this bibliography with the rest of us? Please site all the authors and references so that I may verify them. ![]() "One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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crashfrog Inactive Member |
I imagine it is, just like gravity, or Boyle's Law, or that George Washington was the first president of the US. In other words it's "enforced" in schools because it's true (in that it's an accurate description of the history of life on earth) and schools are there to teach things that are true.
Evolution is both theory and fact. That evolution happened is a fact. The model we use to describe it is the theory. Just like gravity is both fact and theory - that gravity exists is fact. The math (the model) we use to make calculations about it is a theory.
No, it's because there's no such things as gods, but that's neither here nor there. We're talking about evolution, not religion.
Fine. So look at the world and see his plan - evolution through natural selection and random mutation. What's so hard about that? You keep saying that you won't let your desires about God dictate terms to him, but you won't put that into action. Why is that?
As a matter of faith, or as evidence? If you take the authorship of the Bible on faith then we have nothing to talk about. If you take it from evidence then there's a number of people here who beg to differ. (I'm not qualified to debate the authroship of the bible, and after all, to me it doesn't matter - it can't be the word of God because there's no such thing as God.)
Not a fact. Not only are a number of the bible authors unknown, but the stories of their martyrdom are merely legend. Anyway, what would it matter? Every religion has martyrs. Why should I accept your martyrs as any more evidence for your beliefs than you accept other martyrs for other faiths'?
So, you don't so much worship God as you worship the Bible. Isn't there a commandment against that? Idols, etc?
To the contrary. There are a number of potential falsifications of evolutionary theory. For instance, if organisms did not inherit DNA from their parents, evolution would not be true. If cladograms inferred from genetic similarity had absolutely no correlation with fossil record stratiography, evolution would not be true. If natural selection never altered allele frequencies, evolution would not be true. There's a number of conditions in which evolution would not be true. It's just that none of those conditions is true, so while evolution is falsifiable, it hasn't been falsified yet.
Origins is not evolution. Don't change the subject, please.
Show me some who have testable theories of creation. Show me some who have published peer-reviewed research involving models of creation. There may be brilliant people involved in creation. Honestly the skill involved in many creationist deceptions demonstrates that. But the minute they leave the realms of falsifiable models, they've ceased to be scientists.
I've given you several falsifications of evolution. I imagine that if you thought hard enough you could come up with more, yourself.
No, it is the point. When people see God, they don't tend to see the same thing - or else they could agree on how many beards he has, for instance. Whatever they're seeing, it's not God, because if it was, their accounts would be more similar. If they can't answer basic questions about God, then how can they claim to have seen him?
That's still true for the theistic evolutionist.
No. But sociologically it's representative of what happens to science when you start thinking that the solution to every unsolved problem is God. Why solve any problem if the answer can always be God?
Claims of the Bible cannot be used to substantiate claims of the Bible. That's fallacious circular reasoning. After all I can write a hundred books that claim to be written by God or the Holy Spirit or Santa Claus, and support them the same way you support the Bible. If you want to substantiate the Bible, you can't use the Bible to do it. Is that the sort of reasoning you think is going to get you far in the sciences?
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 2481 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Hello Again Kodiak:
I asked you in my previous thread to explain how the students and professors at Cornerstone University define “Science” and also to do the same with the “Scientific Method”. So I repeat the question here…please, give us your definitions.
For example, how did all these other cultures write about the global flood if they themselves were (by your own account) killed in the flood? Do you not see the corner you have painted yourself into? You claim that your interpretation of your Bible is the correct interpretation. So isn’t it then also your claim that only Noah, his family, and 1500 animals (I’m still stunned by that number) survived the flood? So who is the Gilgamesh dude? Was he a stowaway on the ark? And did Chief Marerewana and his family tie their canoe along side Noah and his ark? Also, do the dates for these other floods coincide with the date for your flood? In order for you to use these as examples of evidence to support your flood, they would have had to occur at the same time. That is to say, they would all have to be telling a tale of the SAME flood. Wait…let me guess…your going tell me that these are all stories of the same global flood, but they are incorrect in that while it is true that the flood did occur, the portions of their stories about there being survivors are not true (other than the previous mentioned Noah et. al.). If this is anywhere near what you believe, then how did their stories get passed on? If the Arawak peoples of South America were wiped out in the global flood, who was left to pass on the myth? And if Marerewana and his family survived, then your flood story is wrong. Help me out here, which is true? I absolutely cannot wait to read your explanation for this one…but at the same time, I do not doubt for a second that you will have one. I'm eagerly looking forward to your reply.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3910 Joined: |
This topic, as defined by message 1, was a rather "Short Term" time thing, that has since wandered around.
I think I'll look at closing this one, this evening. Please find better places for the theme(s) being discussed. Adminnemooseus WHERE TO GO TO START A NEW TOPIC (For other than "Welcome, Visitors!", "Suggestions and Questions", "Practice Makes Perfect", and "Short Subjects") Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
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Kodiak Inactive Member |
I only have the time and energy to reply to one of your posts, because I am a fulltime student with a parttime job and I do happen to be taking science classes. All of them happen to be math science classes at this point.
To FliesOnly: You are right, I do have an answer to you, but then again if I had a problem for you I am sure you would be quick to fix it as well. If you take the time to look you will realize that there are 100's of flood stories from hundreds of cultures. If this is not enough evidence for a flood for you then there never will be. You said that the stories conflict. For an answer to this you will have to go back to the Genesis account. What I am referencing is the tower of Babel. God gave men a mandate to go out into all the lands but they failed to do this. Instead they all stayed in one place and built a monument to themselves. This is known as the Tower of Babel. Because of this God gave them different langauges and sent them there own ways. This is why we have so many different cultures and languages to this day. Each person walked away knowning the story of Noah their ancestor. Each story was influenced by the culture subsequently developed. The stories do support each other. The real question is which one is most accurate. This is where faith comes into the picture. I believe that the history of the Bible was faithfully transmitted by the Holy Spirit. I realize I am not going to change your mind. You won't change mine. So after this post I think I am done here. Thank you all for your input. Its been awhile since I've debated on the subject and you've all encouraged me to study harder, which I am going to do now.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3910 Joined: |
As above.
Adminnemooseus WHERE TO GO TO START A NEW TOPIC (For other than "Welcome, Visitors!", "Suggestions and Questions", "Practice Makes Perfect", and "Short Subjects") Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
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