The Roman Catholic Church and Evolution

I don't follow your chain of reasoning. How does the presence of stablizing feedback "automatically" suggest intelligence? It seems to me that equilibrium would be highly selected for. That's a pretty bold claim. Might you care to substantiate that in a new thread? I think that it would be more accurate to say that scientists have more stringent standards for evidence - standards that I suspect you were unable to meet, hence your negative impression.I see a lot of weird claims, but nothing to back them up. I'm not really surprised you get the reactions you do from people of science.

Thank you very much for the message from the Pope. I have told many of his comments.1) I wonder if you have anything to say regarding his comment that Hell is not a place but a "State of mind."2) DO you agree the most most recent publication of The Freudian Bible Translation and Interpretation hits the mark for intelligent and synrgistic interpretation of scriptural creation?(Short version abreviated here for convenience of space. Note: Yom (Hebrew) for day means "an extended period of time.")Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God, (The Universal Power) created the heaven and the earth.Gen. 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God, (the Natural Laws) moved upon the face of the waters.Gen. 1:5 And God, (The Universal Power), called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first YOM,( the Azoic Era). (1)Gen. 1:8 And God, (The Universal Power) called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second YOM, (the Archeozoic Era). (2)Gen. 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third YOM, (the Proterozoic Era). (3)Gen. 1:14 God, (The Universal Power ), said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and for (24 hour) days, and (365 day) years:
Gen. 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth YOM, (the Paleozoic Era). (4)Gen. 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth YOM, (the Mesozoic Era). (5)Gen. 1:31 And God, (the Universal Power), saw every thing that it was good and that was the evening and the morning of the sixth YOm, (the Cenozoic Era). (6)Gen. 2:3 And God, (the Universal Power), blessed this present YOM, (7)
and God, (the Universal Force), rested, (no more evidence of evolution apparent)....

There are many theories and few laws, so who are you to judge me? Judging by your reaction, I take it you are a scientist. All I can do is tell you what I am, whether or not you are going to listen to me is strictly up to you, especially since your believeing me is not a requirement for evolution to occur. It will still occur, regardless. So get over yourself.Better yet- you want to be top dog? Ok so you are now top dog. So now what?Ok-My pubic bone is perpendicular to the ground, like a man's, so I have a flat stomach like a man, and my vagina is oriented at @ 22.5 angle from my spine, rather than parallel to it. In women, the pubic bone is generally recessed and at an angle, which is why women don't have flat stomachs. Because of this, my normal copulation posture is either like a man, during copulation I can thrust my hips like a man, or with one leg down and one leg up and to the side, or one leg down and one leg up at the man's neck- or any number of combinations.In human females, the vagina is oriented parallel to the spine, which is why females mainly are passive, sexually during copulation, and behaviorally in general. It's also why the best leveraging with females is from the back. After all, everything does come down to sex so male and female roles in the world mimic copulation. Hence male dominance. It's also why I've found most men are threatened by me, as men are threatened by a female who is as active and agressive as they are. After all, I'm just as active as a man during sex, so is my social behavior. It goes without saying that given my x-rated talent, it truly is their loss.More on me later, as I have other things to do now.

No, I'm just a guy who doesn't take weird claims at face value without some evidence. No. I just want you to support your claims with evidence. That's what we do around here - support claims with evidence. So in other words, you're exactly like my wife. (My own experience, as well as several of my human anatomy books, refute that the "normal" vagina is parallel to the spine.)Absolutely nothing that you have described is unusual or outside the range of "normal" sexual function for women. What you have described seems far more indicative of a relative lack of sexual maturity - after all you reduce the entire scope of varied intergender relations to a single example of male sexual aggression, which is not true of every heterosexual encounter - than any indication you're the vanguard of the next step in human evolution.You seem to think that your sexual proclivites are somehow remarkable, though it's pretty obvious that you either lack the experience/research to substantiate that view or you've engaged in a pretty spectacular feat of selective memory. Sorry - based on what you've described so far, I have to conlude that in fact you're totally normal.

Actually MRIs taken in a study corroborate what I am saying about humans:
http://www.studentbmj.com/back_issues/0100/papers/1596.htmlYour wife can engage in pelvic thrusts like you? I sincerely doubt that. The SPINE PARALLEL position of her vagina will not permit that. After all the reason why women have to spread their legs is because that is the only way a vagina oriented in that way can be opened up.So I take it rather than spreading her legs she has sex with you on her back, by putting one leg over your shoulder, and the other down by the side of your leg, in a split? Yeah right. And of course she can still engage in pelvic thrusts that way.If that's true then why is it that women are always portrayed as speading their legs as a normal position, and why is it that in order for women to give birth and for gynecological exams they also spread their legs?When I spread my legs, this causes my vagina to close up. That's why I'm unable to have sex like that, and for me to do so would be abnormal. So why is that I cannot assume the spread leg position during sex, since you seem to think that there is nothing unusual about my positions? And by the way, I have my gyn exams with one leg up and the other leg down and to the side, as the spread leg position is too painful for me to tolerate.If you wife's vagina is forward oriented from her spine, then why is it that the best leveraging is acheived from rear entry positions, ie when her vagina is on the same plane as your penis?ALl you have really managed to accomplish is to demonstrate that you don't want to listen to me. You do realize that your opinions have no bearing on reality, right? I can still assume the same copulation postures and behavior as men during sex, something your wife can't do because the angle of her vagina doesn't permit it, and your refusal to acknowledge that won't change it. Life is hard.

Do you have a different definition of "parallel" than I do? Because your pictures show exactly what my anatomy texts show - the vagina in normal females is angled out towards the front. I'm sorry, exactly what aquaintence do you have with my wife's vagina? Sure, just like your claims have no bearing on reality, either. Particularly in regards to the vaginas of individuals you have never met. Funny, I'm the one taking your claims about your anatomy at face value. You're the one making authoritive claims about the sexual anatomy of people you've never met in order to substantiate your ludicrous conclusions. An objective observer would realize that it's the latter, not the former, that is the most obvious evidence of one not wanting to listen.Oh, btw, where you ever going to explain the leap of logic that connects the presence of stabilizing feedback in nature with the conclusion of intelligent design? Or have you retreated from that claim?

Your wife has a flat stomach like a man? Yeah right.All you are managing to do is to prove to me that you don't want to listen and now you are coming up with excuses (and not very good ones) that aren't even based in reality.I have to presume that the reason why you are making such a weak argument is because you are under the mistaken and delusional impression that because I am a woman, you can win. You're not going to win because your arguments are weak and incorrect. Your wife doesn't have a flat stomach like a man, because the angle of her pubic bone doesn't permit it, and she certainly can't thrust her hips like a man during sex, because her vagina isn't angled in such a way as to permit that. Get a clue.Better yet- post a picture of your wife from the side in a swimsuit to prove that she does have a pubic bone that is perpendicular to the ground, so has a flat stomach like a man, to substantiate your claims. You are claiming that she can engage in the same sexual behavior I can so prove it- being as I know for a fact that female humans lack this quality it seems you are up the creek. If you can do that, I will listen. Otherwise you're just wasting my time.Regarding evidence, I've already provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate that I'm put together differently than in humans. You just don't want to accept it- the proof of that being that your defense isn't even believable. The fact that you're stupid, and apparently uneducated is not my problem.

regarding the link I posted, READ THE STUDY, MORON!The reason why the best leveraging in sex is rear entry is because the vaginal angle is lined up with the axis along the length of the penis- so the two match. When a woman is in this position her spine is also along the same angle as the penis. Therefore the vaginal angle= spinal angle. Hence the vagina is parallel to the spine.DURRHH

Ah, naturally. Since I refuse to follow along with your flimsy logic or accept your authorititive statements about people that it's impossible for you to have met, the only conclusion is that I'm a sexist. Hrm, what else can be deduced from my stubborn unwillingness to accept lunacy? I must be a Nazi, too! Based on what evidence? Your exhaustive survey of female sexual apparatus?It's obvious to me that I'm dealing with the worst sort of mind - one that has no compunction at all about fabricating whatever statements are required to preserve their oh-so-precious worldview.Well, that's fine. If you're going to set yourself impervious to reason, why bother talking with you?

what gives me the right to make claims about people I haven't met is because the pelvic basket and vaginal angle , and sex positions it affords are commonalities to all female members of the human race, dimwit.Oh so now we are changing the subject, are we? What's wrong, can't handle argueing with a woman?

There is no point to talking to someone who won't listen to you. Cats and dogs learn that the hard way.

No, because the penis is not perpendicular to the man's spine. It points up - therefore the vagina must angle away from the woman's spine to accept it. What I love so much about your posts is the calm, studied way you elevate the discourse beyond petty insults. Oh, wait.

I'm not going to post as Admin for the moment, but I will state that this is against Forum Guidelines.Now, as to your other claims. Crash is correct, what do you believe that your link showed? The average female vagina is at an angle to the spine. Mine is at quite an angle. I have friends who's vaginal angle was enough to necessitate a c-section when they had kids.You have made your claims, Crash has made his, I have made mine. Crash and I have given personal anecdote as evidence and that is all you have given. I'm sure that people here will be more than willing to listen if and when something other than anecdote or misrepresented facts is given

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

I lied, I will post as Admin.You are violating Forum Guidelines. Stop or you will be suspended.

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Queen of the Universe

Regarding my attitude, what did you expect me to say? Your attitude is at best, judgemental, and at worst patronizing. Your arguments and defense are just plain wrong and not based in anything other than a desperate need to have things remain the way they have been. My behavior is simple self defense. I didn't post this information so you could jump down my throat to tell me I'm wrong. I posted it as an FYI. I'm not going to put up with being adressed in the manner you have chosen to adress me because I don't have to.You don't have to like that I'm put together differently than other women but you do have to accept it. Because your refusal to accept it doesn't change it. Too bad!