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SRO2 
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Message 31 of 61 (100529)
04-17-2004 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by rineholdr
04-16-2004 2:43 PM


This is an outright lie..
We know exactly what happened 13 billion years ago up to now...we've seen it happening realtime with the hubble space telescope. We've looked into the past and have seen stars born, stars die and we've even seen lots of whole Galaxies colliding.

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usncahill
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Message 32 of 61 (100541)
04-17-2004 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by crashfrog
04-17-2004 12:42 AM


hey frog guy..can you see, smell, touch, taste, or hear anything that isnt real? since these basic inputs are what makes up your memory, well these and feeling (the mind kind), why would you ever assume that your mind remember some non-real data?

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usncahill
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Message 33 of 61 (100542)
04-17-2004 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by RingoKid
04-16-2004 8:02 PM


Re: somethings just aren't worth the time...
and ringokid or whatever.. you said "all we see is post big bang". well, all we see is post two seconds ago but we dont think time started two seconds ago do we?

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crashfrog
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Message 34 of 61 (100543)
04-17-2004 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by usncahill
04-17-2004 2:23 AM


can you see, smell, touch, taste, or hear anything that isnt real?
Every night, when I go to bed. They're called "dreams". I hear they're pretty common. I guess you don't have them, though?
why would you ever assume that your mind remember some non-real data?
Because I remember a lot of things that never actually happened, like scenes from books or stories I've written, or just things I've imagined, or dreams.
Seriously the way you ask these questions it's like you've never heard of imagination, dreaming, or hallucination.

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usncahill
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Message 35 of 61 (100545)
04-17-2004 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by crashfrog
04-17-2004 2:26 AM


well, i read the first sentence or your response and stopped reading. you know why. that's a horrible response to a simple question. dreams are real. just like when you close your eyes and you can see your mom's face or hear your favorite song in a quiet room, your brain produces these experiences using the same processing it uses the analyze sensory input. got anything better than dreams?

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crashfrog
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Message 36 of 61 (100546)
04-17-2004 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by usncahill
04-17-2004 2:33 AM


dreams are real.
No, they're not. They're just brain activity that emulates the same nervous functions stimulated by interactivity with the real world.
I don't understand under what definition of "real" you think dreams qualify. Are we talking about the same thing? I'm not so sure.
"Real" are sensory experiences stimulated by the real world, and the chief determinant of that is objectivity - one's ability to corroborate real world experiences with other humans. Dreams, obviously, are not experiences that can usually be corroborated in the same way as experiences in the real world.

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usncahill
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Message 37 of 61 (100547)
04-17-2004 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
04-17-2004 2:39 AM


i think what the appropriate argument here is not whether dreams are real or not then, (this drifted far from the topic quick, sorry guys) but rather if can reliably tell the difference between dreams and awake experiences (i'm gettin to matrixy, gotta postin in a BB topic..hehe)

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crashfrog
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Message 38 of 61 (100552)
04-17-2004 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by usncahill
04-17-2004 2:53 AM


but rather if can reliably tell the difference between dreams and awake experiences
Well, then we get back to my point - the only way to reliably substantiate a historical proposition is by corroboration with evidence.
All I was saying to whats-his-name was that it's a double standard to accept corroboration from evidence as confirmation of one historical account (one's own personal memories) but not others (cosmological models of the history of the universe.) Apparently he found this "ridiculous."

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1.61803
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Message 39 of 61 (100581)
04-17-2004 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by usncahill
04-17-2004 2:23 AM


usncahill writes:
why would you ever assume that your mind remember some non-real data?
Ever hear of psycosis? The Looney bins are full of people remembering "non-real data".

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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RingoKid
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Message 40 of 61 (101008)
04-19-2004 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by usncahill
04-17-2004 2:25 AM


Re: somethings just aren't worth the time...
quote:
and ringokid or whatever.. you said "all we see is post big bang". well, all we see is post two seconds ago but we dont think time started two seconds ago do we?
2 seconds or 13 billlion years it's still post BB so I don't get your point ???

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almeyda
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Message 41 of 61 (106548)
05-08-2004 7:10 AM


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Prebiotic soup is easy to optain. We must next explain how a prebiotic soup of organic molecules, including amino acids and the organic constitutes of nucleotides evolved into a self replicating organism. While some suggestive evidence has been obtained, I must admit that attempts to reconstruct this evolutionary process are extremely tentative - Dr Leslie Orgel

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Message 42 of 61 (106579)
05-08-2004 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by almeyda
05-08-2004 7:10 AM


Topic
This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.
Please be much, much more careful.

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Radrook
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Message 43 of 61 (112742)
06-04-2004 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by xBobTheAlienx
04-11-2004 8:58 PM


Singularity
Scientists don't really know.
It is all mere speculation.

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almeyda
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Message 44 of 61 (112743)
06-04-2004 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Radrook
06-04-2004 9:10 AM


Re: Singularity
Evolution is fact alrite. The origins have nothing to do with ToE. Now for the last time please keep on topic. Arent you tired of being wrong all the time?. Evolution is real science creation is not science just religion. Get over it.

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crashfrog
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Message 45 of 61 (112832)
06-04-2004 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Radrook
06-04-2004 9:10 AM


Scientists don't really know.
Actually they do really know, in so far as it's possible to know anything.
Scientists know that evolution is an accurate model of the history of life on Earth. They know it about as well as any of us know anything, which is to say, they're pretty sure.
I don't understand how you can look at the reams and reams of scientific evidence for evolution and come away saying "it's just speculation."

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