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Author Topic:   Dinosaurs and the reduced felt effect of gravity
crashfrog
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Message 24 of 121 (100534)
04-17-2004 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by redwolf
04-17-2004 12:36 AM


Nonetheless, pleistocene artists used to picture mammoths stretched out in full gallop:
That doesn't look like galloping to me. It looks like kneeling, like it's injured.

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crashfrog
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Message 44 of 121 (100828)
04-19-2004 2:04 AM
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04-18-2004 11:35 PM


Now, in present gravity, that is the way weight has to be supported. In past ages, however, that would not seem to have been the case:
Your problem appears to be that you're looking at the wrong kind of architecture. Here's your seismosaur skeleton again:
and here's a cantilever bridge:
Hrm, how about that? High arched back supporting a neck cantilevered by tendons connecting it to the tail. Of course the seismosaur isn't an arch. That's only evidence for lesser gravity if, like the Romans, your architectural thinking is stuck in the Bronze Age.

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 121 (100855)
04-19-2004 2:56 AM
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04-19-2004 2:50 AM


It's still supported; the seismosaur's neck isn't.
No, it's supported by the ligaments and musculature that one would have to be totally ignorant of anatomy not to infer from the creature's skeleton.
In other words it's supported by the tail.

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 121 (100908)
04-19-2004 11:09 AM
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04-19-2004 11:06 AM


I'm using redhat 9 and firebird; there must be some really huge difference between what I'm seeing and what windows users are.
I'm rockin' Firebird under XP; your links just give 403 errors.
There is basically no way I could recommend anybody using any version of windows on a home computer connected to the internet at this point in time.
NAT routing, chief.

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crashfrog
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Message 69 of 121 (101134)
04-20-2004 3:59 AM
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04-18-2004 11:35 PM


What is being ignored in that theory, of course, is torque.
Here's a picture of a typical urban construction crane:
The arm of that crane is considerably longer than any sauropod's neck, not to mention heavier, especially loaded. So according to your argument the torque involved must be intense - hundreds/thousands of times what you claim it must be for the dinosaur.
Now, I'm looking, but I just can't find the hundreds of battleship engines holding the arm up. Can you point them out to me? Thanks.

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crashfrog
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Message 85 of 121 (101226)
04-20-2004 2:39 PM
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04-20-2004 11:12 AM


which the saur's neck didn't.
To the contrary, it did have suspension cables - tendons, ligaments, and musculature cantilevering the neck by the tail.
You don't just get to say "nuh-uh!" and expect that to carry any weight. Let's hear some evidence that you couldn't hold a sauropod's neck up by it's tail.

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