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Author Topic:   What is Objective Evidence? (Evidence for More than One)
RAZD
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Message 12 of 18 (102592)
04-25-2004 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by ElliPhant
04-25-2004 2:24 AM


Re: Believing is Seeing
it's PARADIGM bias. which means that no matter how many times you repeat it it's still dependent on the theory that you're looking with, the theory used to build the equipment used to detect your results etc etc etc many many people can all observe the same results, but it still isn't "objective" because they are all wearing the same glasses.
So the theory influences what is tested ... how does that infulence the result? Taking the redshift experiment from Coragyps:
(http://EvC Forum: What is Objective Evidence? (Evidence for More than One))
The theory could be that there is a blue shift or no shift as easily as that there was a red shift (and in fact red-shift was not expected): how does the expectations influence the actual resulting shift in the element lines of the spectrum? How would it be possible to look at them and conclude a blue shift?
Evidence shows theories to be wrong, and that is when theories get discarded or revised. There are many theories in evolution that have been discarded -- 'Lamarkism' is a well known one, and "the inheritance of acquired characteristics" was part of Darwin's "Origin of Species" -- due to evidence.

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RAZD
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Message 14 of 18 (102698)
04-26-2004 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by ElliPhant
04-25-2004 7:56 PM


restating is not reinforcing
all you have done is restate your previous opinion.
please explain how a theory on redshifting would change the appearance of the evidence?

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