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Author Topic:   Psuedogenes are good for Creationism!
crashfrog
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Message 4 of 33 (100687)
04-18-2004 2:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Raymon
04-18-2004 12:03 AM


Any takers?
I'm not sure this is exactly on topic, but you seem to be under the impression that biologists consider the existence of pseudogenes to be evidence of the common descent of organisms.
This isn't exactly true. It's not (for instance) the fact that both apes and humans have pseudogenes that suggests common descent. It's the fact that they have a lot of the same pseudogenes. For instance apes and humans both have a broken gene that could synthesize Vitamin C if it worked. In both humans and apes, the gene is broken in the same place.
What process would break the gene in the same way, twice, in a number of seperate species? The obvious conclusion is that apes and humans share heredity to some degree.
If someone was to find those psuedogenes and figure out how to turn them back on, they could prove the bible true and elimiate untold suffering by extending life by hundereds of years!
Or they could kill someone. Even if what you say is true, humans have adapted to the absence of the protiens those pseudogenes code for. Re-introducing them could be fatal. I'd be worried that someone would take your idea so seriously - based on a faith in the Bible that supercedes any conclusion based on evidence in nature - that they would rush ahead to do just what you suggest. They'd be so certain that it would work that they wouldn't stop to consider how to protect the subject in case it didn't.

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 33 (101454)
04-21-2004 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by desdamona
04-21-2004 3:31 AM


So which science teachers are telling the truth and which ones,
are liars?
The ones who make statements they know aren't supported by the evidence are the liars. The problem is that you have to be ready to assess the evidence yourself. Just taking the word of whoever you like best just isn't going to cut it.

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crashfrog
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Message 19 of 33 (101482)
04-21-2004 4:52 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by desdamona
04-21-2004 4:48 AM


Yes,but we humans have been known to make mistakes.
True enough. But as far as anyone can tell, we're the only ones to talk to. (After all anyone who says God exists is human themselves, and could be mistaken!)
Nobody's saying our knowledge is perfect. The point of the scientific methodology is that there's always a community of scientists looking over your shoulder, checking your work. That's the best way I can think of to keep the mistakes to a minimum, don't you think?

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crashfrog
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Message 22 of 33 (102347)
04-24-2004 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Mike
04-24-2004 12:23 AM


So, on the ark there was one representative of the ape/human "kind", which was either apelike or humanlike.
Or, both. After all since humans are apes, it's like you're asking for something "either doglike or mammal-like."
Also the problem that you have with this theory is that there are ape fossils. If all fossil sediment is a product of the flood, then we know that apes predate the flood and cannot be decendants of the humans on the Ark - they predate the Ark.
Added by edit: You say you're new, and your post is ambiguous, so let me just mention, I'm an evolutionist. I didn't write the above to support the Noaic flood, but rather, to show the inconsistencies in any attempt to reconcile a Biblical flood and human-ape heredity.
[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 04-24-2004]

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crashfrog
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Message 29 of 33 (102850)
04-26-2004 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Mike
04-26-2004 2:21 PM


Re: damn fossils
According to creationists, are ALL fossils from the flood? or do they still happen occasionally post-flood?
According to creationists, most of the sediments (and the fossils in them) are the result of flooding. Some are post-flood.
Which ones? They won't say.
By the way Frog, I was trying to be deliberately ambiguous.
It was pretty unambiguous to me that you were an evolutionist. I just wanted you to be sure I was, too.

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