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Strawman Inactive Member |
>Pls do, but my point is you DON'T KNOW what to accept as truth or >not. Therefore it is JUST opinion.
What we accept and don't accept concerning Christianity is either our choice or we 'talk' to God about it.Usually, Christians don't 'talk' or pray to God about certain things and they take their own opinion on the matter. Which is one of the reasons this religion has a bad rep.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If Christians "talk to God" or anything like that, that is their own business and I do not begrudge anyone the religious practice of their choice. In fact, I think it is a crucial civil liberty that all Americans are free to worship as they choose. One big reason certain stripes of Christianity (mostly in the US) get a bad rep in the education, scientific, civil liberties, and religious communities is because they wish to force their religious views upon everyone else by having them taught in public school science classrooms. They are attempting to dress their religion up in a lab coat and give it a beaker to hold in the hopes that they will get it taught alongside, or even instead of, real science. To anyone interested in intellectual honesty and true scholarship and discovery, this tactic is offensive and demeaning to science and religion both. ------------------"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow- minded." -Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"
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Jet Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Percipient:
The Bible is full of both history and myth. Much of it is about real places and real events, much of it is not. ***Please feel free to point out both.......if you can.***Jet Originally posted by Percipient:There is no evidence consistent with the six days of Creation, and no geological evidence of a world-wide flood ever, let alone within the last 10,000 years. ***Major Tinman Percy!***Jet
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html http://www.trueorigin.org/arkdefen.asp ***I would suppose that you are able to offer all the necessary evidence, (studies, data, reports, etc.), to support such an outlandish statement while negating any and all or the contrary evidence.***Jet ***Answer this question, if you are able. Why do earths societies differ on the number of days in a month as well as differ in the number of months in a year but all are in agreement of a seven day week? Could it possibly have something to do with the six days of creation plus a day of rest that God ordained in Genesis?Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm! ------------------"If you tell a lie long enough, and loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." Adolf Hitler.......Darwinian Evolutionist
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Jet Inactive Member |
quote: ***Please refer me to the post where I stated that "my views" should be taught as science.***Jet
------------------"If you tell a lie long enough, and loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." Adolf Hitler.......Darwinian Evolutionist
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5679 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: Yes and no. You assertion that the 7-day Christian week likely had its roots in the Bible is correct. Your assertion that this was always agreed on is false. A few examples: The ancient Egyptians used a 10-day "week", as did the French Revolutionary calendar. The Maya calendar uses a 13 and a 20-day "week" (see Mayan calendar). The Soviet Union used both a 5-day and a 6-day week. In 1929-30 the USSR gradually introduced a 5-day week. Every worker had one day off every week, but there was no fixed day of rest. On 1 September 1931 this was replaced by a 6-day week with a fixed day of rest, falling on the 6th, 12th, 18th, 24th, and 30th day of each month (1 March was used instead of the 30th day of February, and the last day of months with 31 days was considered an extra working day outside the normal 6-day week cycle). A return to the normal 7-day week was decreed on 26 June 1940. Lithuanians used week of nine days before adopting Cristianity. Cheers Joe Meert [This message has been edited by Joe Meert, 05-20-2002]
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Jet Inactive Member |
One of the biggest questions I have of late is why do evolutionists feel so threatened by the teaching of creation? If evolution has so much evidence, and creation has so little, (or none, as some so boldly claim), then I would think that evolutionists would not only agree to, but would actively encourage the practice of teaching both creation and evolution side by side so that the evolutionists could show everyone just how right they are and just how wrong the creationists are. Leaning on that tired old "creation isn't science" argument doesn't wash anymore than saying "evolution is science."
http://www.planetkc.com/puritan/EvolutionIsNotScience_f.htm Jet
------------------"If you tell a lie long enough, and loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." Adolf Hitler.......Darwinian Evolutionist
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5679 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jet:
[B]One of the biggest questions I have of late is why do evolutionists feel so threatened by the teaching of creation? If evolution has so much evidence, and creation has so little, (or none, as some so boldly claim), then I would think that evolutionists would not only agree to, but would actively encourage the practice of teaching both creation and evolution side by side so that the evolutionists could show everyone just how right they are and just how wrong the creationists are. Leaning on that tired old "creation isn't science" argument doesn't wash anymore than saying "evolution is science." [/QUOTE] JM: What makes you think they oppose teaching creationism? I've taught ye-creationism in my class and I know many others who do as well. It fits perfectly in my course "How to think about weird things" and other peoples "Philosophy of Science" courses. Since ye-creationism has no scientific value, it would be a waste of time, money and effort to discuss it at length in scientific courses. There is already too little science being taught as it is and if we water it down further with pseudoscience, then we do our society a great disfavor. Cheers Joe Meert
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Jet Inactive Member |
quote: Interesting information! Thanks Joe! Jet
------------------"If you tell a lie long enough, and loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." Adolf Hitler.......Darwinian Evolutionist
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5679 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: What do you mean by 'astronomically valid'? As far as I can tell, there is nothing 'astronomically valid' about a 7-day week. Perhaps you can explain what you mean? As for why the 7-day week is adopted by many countries, it is likely due to economic reasons rather than religious ones. Originally, the 7-day week was avoided because 7 was considered unlucky! In fact, one text considers the 7 day week to have originated with paganism and it was later adopted by Christians (one day each for the Sun, Moon and the five known planets). Heck the names of some of the days are quite pagan. If true, the question might be better phrased as "Why did Christians adopt a pagan week"? Thor's day is my favorite. Cheers Joe Meert [This message has been edited by Joe Meert, 05-20-2002] [This message has been edited by Joe Meert, 05-20-2002]
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7576 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote: Joe has pointed out the exceptions ot the rule, but I suppose you wonder why there may be a rule in the first place? Firstly you should note that simply because we in the west have chosen to subdivide the calendar at this particular granularity it does not follow that other civilisations would necessarily do so. In the past even western societies had a variety of week lengths from 4 to 10 days. The Babylonians divided the phases of the moon into 4 major subdivisions of 7 days - a lunar cycle of 28 days starting with the first visible crescent and ending with the last visible cresecent. The remaining 1.53 days of the cycle regarded as quite separate, with some admirable logic: how could discuss the state fo the moon when it was invisible - it might not even exist at that time, and its reappearance could be cancelled by an angry God? Aulus Gellius points out another feature of the 7 day cycle that would have been of enormous importance to the numerologically-fascinated early civilisations: 4 seven day cycles make 28 days, and the factorial (as we would now call) of 7 is 28. SO for the ancients there was a mystical relationship between these two issues - the moon travelled its visible course in 28 days and the main phases of this course contained within themselves a reflection of the overall unity of the cycle.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: OK, let's say that Protestant Christian Creation is taught alongside science in a science classroom. Why not teach Native American Creation in the science classroom? Or Shinto Creation stories? Or Roman, Australian Aboriginal, or Egyptian Creation? After all, since Protestant Christian Creationism is based in what the Bible says, and what the Bible says holds ultimate sway over any natural evidence which might be discovered, then any other religion's creation story is as supported as any other. Now, if you are suggesting that Creation Science be taught about in, say, a class which discusses the nature of scientific inquiry, a philosophy of science class, or in a comparative religion class, then I think it is a great idea and will clearly demonstrate that Creation 'science' is quite lacking as an actual science but is strong as a very effective marketing tool for the far right Christian political wing. Creation 'science' isn't real science. It violates the tenets of scientific inquiry. You have, in the past, been directed to much more information which explains this in great detail. Here is, yet again, a good definition of science. You will also find an internal link which will take you to another essay which explains how Creation 'science' breaks the rules of science. I hope you will actually address the specifics of these links this time instead of waving them away and avoiding them.
http://www.skepdic.com/science.html ------------------"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow- minded." -Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Gee, somehow the idea that the seven day week was adopted by everyone because the more powerful people came in and converted everyone to their religion doesn't seem very mysterious to me. In addition, the Church was freaking rich and if I'm not mistaken, controlled and funded a great deal of trade and commerce. It would make sense to adopt the week structure that your most powerful customer used so you could coordinate business with them. Are you really asking why everyone has the same week structure now?? Trade and commerce!!!
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Jet Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:
[B] OK, let's say that Protestant Christian Creation is taught alongside science in a science classroom. Why not teach Native American Creation in the science classroom? Or Shinto Creation stories? Or Roman, Australian Aboriginal, or Egyptian Creation? After all, since Protestant Christian Creationism is based in what the Bible says, and what the Bible says holds ultimate sway over any natural evidence which might be discovered, then any other religion's creation story is as supported as any other. ***Your point is well taken and valid, to be sure. All of the above are as rooted in history as is the erroneous concept of evolution.***Jet schraf: Creation 'science' isn't real science. It violates the tenets of scientific inquiry.......Creation 'science' breaks the rules of science. ***I believe this has been discussed at length already. But in case your memory needs refreshing, then visit...................
http://www.planetkc.com/puritan/EvolutionIsNotScience_f.htm Your "real science" argument reveals the so-called science of the TOE to be full of holes.***Jet schraf: http://www.skepdic.com/science.html ***Actually, I have already bookmarked the skepdic site, as well as a number of others. I am never opposed to examining all sides of an issue, even when I am convinced that one side, (in this case, the argument for evolution), is so full of errors, misinformation, and outright lies that it is, without a doubt, completely inane.***Jet
Jet ------------------"If you tell a lie long enough, and loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." Adolf Hitler.......Darwinian Evolutionist
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Jet Inactive Member |
quote: ***You must have absolutely loved the movie "Conspiracy Theory"***Jet
Jet ------------------"If you tell a lie long enough, and loud enough, and often enough, the people will believe it." Adolf Hitler.......Darwinian Evolutionist "For the scientist who has lived by faith in the power of his reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is aboutto conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a small band of theologians, who have been sitting there for centuries." Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
You're ignoring the issue about your signoff. I raised the issue because I felt it was offensive and inflammatory. You've had, and still have, the opportunity to justify it, during which period you may continue to use it, but if you choose not to respond to inquiries then I must ask you to remove or modify the signoff or risk suspension of posting privileges.
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