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almeyda
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Message 1 of 137 (105472)
05-05-2004 5:10 AM


Why does society seem to be heading in a social decline? Does this social decay have a connection with what generations of children now get taught in school? Most nations now teach that human life is the result of a giant cosmic accident. According to this teaching, billions of years ago 'nothing' exploded and here we are. People, animals, earth, universe, everything all being made by natural processes. This teaching dispenses with a need for a creator God who made everything. God then becomes an idea dreamt up by people but doesn't meet with the facts of reality. If there is no God then there is no one to be accountable to when you die. Since there is no judgement, then man by himself can determine truth without God's word.
Many have trouble finding purpose and meaning in life, which is not surprising. Evolution destroys meaning, purpose and morality. How can mere chemicals produce love, purpose or concepts or right and wrong? Morals then just become a matter of ones opinion. Look around. Everyone is doing what is right in their own eyes. This may include living a morally good life or it may include living a life of a criminal. Since there is no standard of right and wrong how can one person tell another no you can't do that because it's wrong? How arrogant is one to say that my opinion is better than yours. But when people listen to God it's a different story because God has the right to give the rules because he made everything thus he owns everything. Just about every moral truth has descended from the God of the Holy Bible. As nations turn their backs on God, living as if he doesn't exist. Sin abounds - political corruption, lying, slander, debauchery, violent crime, abortion, theft, adultery, drug taking, drunkenness, gambling, and greed. Economic woes and social chaos follow as taxes increase and governments borrow money to pay for bigger police forces, jails, and social security systems to patch up the problems. Evil men like Hitler/Stalin were being totally consistent within evolutionary view. He had no standard for morality and anyone else that doesn't use God's word as a standard could never say Hitler was wrong for doing it. Remember this is a natural evolutionary world where things just happen. If you are an evolutionist you must be consistent with your view
STANDARDS----------------SURIVIVAL OF THE FITTEST
MARRIAGE-----------------SEXUALLY IMMORAL/HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOUR
LAW----------------------LAWLESSNESS
ONE RACE-----------------RACISM
SOCIETY PROSPERS---------SOCIETY CRUMBLES
GOD'S WORD---------------MAN'S OPINION
CREATION-----------------EVOLUTION
A supreme creator who gave law provides a solid foundation for morality and meaning. Where as evolution made everything provides no such basis
Ethics without God?
The first problem Humanists recognize is the effect ethical relativism might have on average men and women. Humanists generally call for avoiding all dogma, since it restricts man for his pursuit on happiness. But how will the common man react to a society without rules and corresponding penalties? To liberate man from all dogma or
authoritarian social institutions weather church or state is no guarantee that they will be aware of their moral responsibility and obligation (Frankly quite the opposite it will become.) Once these social sanctions and standards for morality are pushed away, what will be left? We may very well end with man who is only concerned for his own pleasure, lust, ambition, power and impervious to moral constraints (AKA SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Exactly what an evolutionary world is all about.) Humanist imply that only intelligent people are the only people that are really capable of making the correct moral choices. Which also implies that intelligent people should be the moral guides for the rest of society. But isn't this giving the power to a select few to create a dogma that others must follow? Isn't this precisely what humanists have been trying to avoid all along by ignoring religious codes of ethics?
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almeyda
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Message 11 of 137 (105545)
05-05-2004 12:44 PM
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05-05-2004 12:41 PM


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I dont know who that is but i get my information through my own studies and research but Answers In Genesis who i learn the most from..Ive quoted them several several times..

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almeyda
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Message 14 of 137 (105549)
05-05-2004 12:53 PM
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05-05-2004 12:48 PM


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As nations turn their backs on God, living as if he doesn't exist. Sin abounds - political corruption, lying, slander, debauchery, violent crime, abortion, theft, adultery, drug taking, drunkenness, gambling, and greed. Economic woes and social chaos follow as taxes increase and governments borrow money to pay for bigger police forces, jails, and social security systems to patch up the problems

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almeyda
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Message 15 of 137 (105551)
05-05-2004 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Chiroptera
05-05-2004 12:46 PM


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You must understand that Evolution is the foundation of it all.Just like if Creation was the foundation and theres been plenty the country prospers because there peace.Theres a standard,a absolute,some who has a right to make the rules.What happens when Evolution becomes a foundation?.It ends up survival of the fittest.The Bible gives a life the is in the image of God.Holy.And yes its true it may not be the Evolutions fault if its true but theres alot of evidence for Creation and Against Evolution as ive been debating in a thread.Yes i know you can live morally i mentioned it in the beginning how it may be morally or criminally.But without Gods word we cannot tell another man that he is doing the wrong thing.

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almeyda
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Message 20 of 137 (105561)
05-05-2004 1:25 PM
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05-05-2004 1:03 PM


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The point is there isnt even a basis for morality!.There is nothing..No Divine guide to living (Well we do in the Bible but lets say the Bible didnt exist).There would be no standard.Just your own opinion.If you kill who the F*CK! could dare tell you your wrong if its your own decision?.Yes theres majority vote,But why should someone listen to there dogma just cause they believe there own thoughts?.If they dont want to? If they have a different standard or opinion?.So it comes back to everyman does what is right in there own eyes.God is someone we can listen to because he has authority and the right to set the rules,He made all thus owns all.

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almeyda
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Message 21 of 137 (105562)
05-05-2004 1:25 PM
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05-05-2004 1:13 PM


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I just mentioned all those things before..Didnt you read them? Im sure every else did...

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almeyda
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Message 22 of 137 (105564)
05-05-2004 1:28 PM
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05-05-2004 1:14 PM


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No Difference! But Gods truth and holiness always shined through showing lives how to live holy and receive eternal life...

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almeyda
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Message 23 of 137 (105567)
05-05-2004 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Parsimonious_Razor
05-05-2004 1:25 PM


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And which individuals will be giving as this Social Norm?..Let me guess humanists? Didnt you read uptop what i originally saidabout Humanists.And theres so much more.Humanist plan for a world government to achieve peace..Hmm i remember that story falling straight into the hands of Biblical prophecy...

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almeyda
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Message 26 of 137 (105574)
05-05-2004 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
05-05-2004 1:37 PM


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Ive copied & Pasted the following from a thread i debated in...(Few stuff added)
A Religion is only as good as the book that its basing its philosophy on..Its whole foundation..So basically a rightness of a religion is determined by the credentials of its founder & by the divine inspiration of its text book..And when your basing it on the Bible which Christians do then your right because Christians dont reintepret Gods word...What is the proof of the bible? Well i could write for pages but ill only write 4 major ones..
UNITY-Written by 40 or so men,most of which did not know each other,several continents,over a period of 1600yrs..Almost 2 milleniums..And they all came to together to make a perfect book without error or contradiction.This same book went on to be the foundation of law,morality and meaning of life..This makes the Bible unique because no book has been written insuch a way.All talking about a coming messiah in the flesh.(Imagine 40 of us or even just 10 no knowing each other and written on every aspect of life prohecy,future,morals,origins,science,love, There would without a doubt be some sort of disagreement
PROPHECY-In Isaiah 41:23 God challenges other religions to prove that they are the way.And to this day no book in the world has correctly fortold the future hundreds of times without mistakes.Buddha,Hindu,Muslims do not any contained writings of a fullfilled prophecy.Everyother religion has come after!This is the only one who fullfilled prophecy hundreds of times over(This is good evidence that there is a greater mind than man with guided the writings of the book)
SCIENCE-Scientific information that ppl only discovered recently or centuries after..Everything from the earth is round(Isaiah 40:22),earch is suspended in space without support (Job 26:7)etc etc..The list literally goes on and on..(The Bible is only at Conflicts with Evolution,But remember Evolution is the science of Humanist..Not Science in general.Historical science is very different to practical science we see everyday..Historical is based on presuppositions,frameworks etc..A creationists and evolutionists are both scientist...(There was a big list of more science in the Bible i wrote in the thread "Why Choose Christianity (or One of the Other Possibilities) as Your Religion?")
ARCHAEOLOGY-Archaelogoy discoveries have confirmed the Bibles historical accuracy.In fact it was quite possible the first and earliest writings of mankind (Showing the source of the earth right to the end).All jewish,Israeli history is all confirmed in the Bible.This of course gives proof that the things in the Bible did happen.This overwhelming amount of evidence proves withot a doubt the Bible speaks on actual historical events.Including the reserrection
The Bible is indeed the word of God without error...The inexahaustable depth of the book..There is literally thousands more evidences..All you have to have is the will to accept it..Every other book can be mastered in one or 2 reads expect the Bible which can be read hundreds of times and studied thousands of times
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almeyda
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Message 31 of 137 (105591)
05-05-2004 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by jar
05-05-2004 2:03 PM


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Jar your replys have been very bizzare indeed.I showed you science from the Bible.In the other thread you were the person i replied to because you said to this day i have not seen science in the Bible did you forget? Let me remind you that this does not prove the Bible is the word of God this and the other proofs i wrote for the Bible is evidence that it is Unique among all books.I hope that Frogguy i debated with also reads this..(Copy & Pasted...Here are just some
1. Hydrologic cycle- Genesis 1:6,7 (perfect conditions for life)
2.Engineering - Genesis 6:15 (It was not until the 1900s that comparable sized ships were constructed)
3. Air has weight - Job 28:25 (Job was written 2000bc,Yet People thought air was weightless until 1643)
4.Light moves - Job 38:19,20 (Newton & Huygens first confirmed this in the 1600s)
5. Time had a beginning - 2 Timothy 1:9,Titus 1:2,1 Corinthians 2:7 (This general relativity theory cause Einstien to a complete switch from Athiesm to some kind of creator)
6. Stars are countless - Jeremiah 33:22 (For centuries ppl thought there were 1100 stars etc.Astronomers now acknowledge that it would take 100 trillion yrs to count all the stars making them countless)
7. Ocean currents - Isaiah 43:16,Psalms 8:8 (Matthew Fontaine Maury earned the reputation of "Father of oceanography" after discovering mapping ocean currents for better sea travel efficiency in 1855)
8. Global Wind patterns - Ecclesiastes 1:6 (Only with advanced satellite technology have scientist been able to accurately define global wind currents.Yet in Ecclesiastes written 1000 yrs before Christ describes a repeated cycle of wind)
9.2nd law of thermodynamics -Psalm 102:25,26 ,Isaiah 51:6,Matthew 24:35,Romans 8:20-22,1 John 2:17,Hebrews 12:27 (This was discovered in 1850.Things run down hill not uphill as Evolution suggests)
10.Atoms & Molecules -Hebrews 11:3 (Science caught up with Democritus theory that matter was made of invisible particles in 1803)
11.Circumsision - Genesis 17:11 (In the mid 1900s research showed the risk of infections,cancers etc that could be carried in the foreskin of uncircumsized males)
12. Sterilization - Numbers 19,Leviticus 13,Leviticus 11:29-40,Levitcus 15,Leviticus 12,Leviticus 6:8-13(Another biblical insight which was not understood until the late 1800s,Everything from washing hands to handling the dead)

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almeyda
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Message 44 of 137 (105818)
05-06-2004 4:19 AM


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JAR - How do you agree with both Evolution and The Bible if they contradict each other?.Every word mentioned in the Bible relating to time is in context of literal time and days.Reinterpretations have what led people into changing Gods Word to big gaps,and long periods of time.And as for the Koran?Containing no fullfilled prophecy,coming after the Bible,changing the story well in our version jesus did this?.The Bible cannot even be compared to such a book.If Evolution is true then there is no truth.Yes you may have your philosophical views but that means everyone can listen to there own views.Right? What does that lead do again? A pretty f*cked up world with chaos and war.Evolution eventually leads to social decay
JON E - Take a look at the teenagers of today?.Wouldnt you say theyve all gotten pretty messed up.I mean drugs and alcohol and sex is the norm now.It wasnt in the past.Teenagers have been taught since what 1932? That there is no God,Only if you feel the need for one.What has hapened since well one the kids grow up then there kids have a lesser standard of morals and it goes on and on.And Evolution is to blame indirectly or directly because with Evolution there is no moral standard
JAR - Yes a book is only as good as its credentials.How can you belive something if you dont trust it in whatever it says? I surely couldnt.One inch of doubt and the next thing you know your doubting or rejecting whatever you feel like.If the genesis story is false? Then i wonder if Jesus existed or if God even exists? Understand?
I am not wrong! The Bible was written by over 40 or so men.This issue is not debatable.How many men do you think if any wrote the Bible ??? No evidence of a flood? Damm if only i had it with me.I guess your right for now.But to say there is absolutely no flood evidence is walking on very thin ice
PAUL K - Evolution means man independant of God.Since that becomes opinion vs opinion because theres no higher power involved then that means that yes there is no absolute moral standard.And as for accepting Gods word well we dont interpret it we take it for what it is.It says dont murder so we dont murder.But of like normal symbolic english we dont cut our hands off when jesus says if your hands sins cut it off for its better to lose a hand and go to heaven then be cast to hell.
LAM - I get my resource from the King James version which is exactly the same in meaning as the original text.
JAR - The ark was the equivalent volume of 522 railroad stockcars,each which can hold 240 sheep.This size was naturally perfect for such a global flood.Are you joking about the sterilization?..Such early life in Leviticus shows how ignorant man can be of such things..(A bit like an evolutionized man without God) God teaches them all about hygeine.
Parsimonious Razor - What your saying is not consistant.Its forcing the idea that people are the same or naturally have the same moral guide.This simply isnt true.This is an evolutionary world where things just happen and more overthere is no moral standard.What you are trying to do is indoctrinate mankind with some sort of humanistic religion.
Chiroptera - So you just admitted that each must listen to his innerself or religion to feel what is right.What if i feel like killing people and raping girls?.Im being totally consistant arent i? Sure i can face punishment by the majority but if i can get away with it,then so be it.Besides who are you to tell me its wrong?.

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almeyda
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Message 47 of 137 (105823)
05-06-2004 4:49 AM
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05-06-2004 4:42 AM


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Well this is an evolutionary world and things do just happen so yes that was fine!...

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almeyda
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Message 48 of 137 (105828)
05-06-2004 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by PaulK
05-06-2004 4:37 AM


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What are those Christians basing there belief on? Well there using Gods word and reinterpreting Genesis because what Evolutionists have showd us, Is something else.
In the Bible God constituted government and law. The governement was of course supposed to inforce Gods law and order thats how. Yes of course there would still be rebellion. But the foundation is critical. Such a foundation can teach children more than we came from a monkey and before that from a chemical. Teaching our children that they came from nowhere and going nowwhere and that life is whatever it is in a meaningless existence, You dont think there would be moral consequences in society as time goes on?..Of course many people dont wake up and go kill or act immorally but Evolution incresingly pervades the thinking of a society. It grows as generations come and go.Eventually many children,teenagers and adults no longer have a clear concept of Christian morality. Remember you cant have Christian morality without Christ,You cant have Christ without the Bible,And you cant have the Bible without Genesis 1:1..Further more Evolutionary thinking can indoctrinate into atheism (Just like all our universaties)..Christian morals and rules suddenly are unacceptable and become the enemy.You are suffering from some sort of pride,ignorance or sin problem if you dont feel that the foundation of society is essential for peace and order.
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almeyda
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Message 50 of 137 (105835)
05-06-2004 6:28 AM
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05-06-2004 6:17 AM


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I AM NO GOD!..I am just a messenger of his word. Im just here to say look what God says. Havent you heard? "Thus sayeth the Lord". It really comes down to mans sinful nature always trying to pursue his own glory. Trying to put God out of the picture. All i can do is continue to fight for Gods word and hope to turn many to his light & love.

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almeyda
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Message 52 of 137 (105838)
05-06-2004 6:51 AM


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Can you tell me the address of the verse. You wrote it in another thread but i cant remember it now

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