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Brian
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Message 151 of 159 (106409)
05-07-2004 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Cold Foreign Object
05-07-2004 5:25 PM


Re: The Time For Subtlety Is Over - I agree
Hi WT,
I would be interested to know exactly how many European university lecturers you know personally.
There is no substitute for personal experience.
Brian.

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Message 152 of 159 (106429)
05-07-2004 6:57 PM
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05-07-2004 6:15 PM


Re: The Time For Subtlety Is Over - I agree
None.

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Message 153 of 159 (106435)
05-07-2004 7:14 PM


I went to Google and typed "professors justify suicide bombings", and this is what I found:
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul03/alexander.htm
http://www.arielbeery.com/archives/000356.html
The Homepage of Professor Ted Honderich
Jihad 101 :: Middle East Quarterly
There are hundreds more but this is a sampling.

  
Brian
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Message 154 of 159 (106437)
05-07-2004 7:15 PM
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05-07-2004 6:57 PM


Re: The Time For Subtlety Is Over - I agree
Has Dr. Gene Scott ever been misrepresented by anyone?
Brian.

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Message 155 of 159 (106440)
05-07-2004 7:19 PM
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05-07-2004 7:15 PM


Re: The Time For Subtlety Is Over - I agree
Your point is well taken.
Are you saying for the most part that the professors in question have been misrepresented ?
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Message 156 of 159 (106442)
05-07-2004 7:23 PM
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05-07-2004 7:19 PM


Re: The Time For Subtlety Is Over - I agree
Hi,
Just highlighting the problems of generalising, and that life is never straightforward.
Brian.
OOPS, should have been in member 'Brian' mode.
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Message 157 of 159 (106444)
05-07-2004 7:26 PM
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05-07-2004 7:23 PM


Re: The Time For Subtlety Is Over - I agree
But in fairness to myself I haven't generalized, I have been very specific to only indict certain persons. Its a "if the shoe fits sort of thing."

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Cynic1
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Message 158 of 159 (106449)
05-07-2004 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Cold Foreign Object
05-06-2004 10:58 PM


quote:
I never claimed they were causing genocide. I claimed they were providing the rationale for cold blooded murder. Nazis had their rationales for murdering Jews, and as you know THERE ARE NONE !
Of course there are no good rationales for murdering anyone. That really wasn't my point.
Is it your position, though, that university professors are aiding the suicide bombers, or just engaging in armchair philosophy?
quote:
Which means the university professors who whitewash the murder of Jews are doing the exact same thing that Nazis did.
I am not arguing the content of the metaphorical comparison of the Nazis and the university professors. My argument is that you are exaggerating the similarities. Say that the two groups are alike, but do not say that there is no difference, as this is demonstrably untrue. Saying that they "are doing the exact same thing that Nazis did," would be better restated as "they are doing one of the things that Nazis did." To do otherwise is to imply that those professors are engaging in genocide, or that the Nazis simply justified murder.
For example, I can say that the fundamentalist Christians who lived around where I grew up were like the Nazis for burning books. However, to say that there is no difference between the two groups is not true. To say that they "are doing the exact same thing that Nazis did" would be to imply that either all the Nazis were just book burners, or that the fundamentalist Christian book burners are also mass murderers.

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Message 159 of 159 (106483)
05-07-2004 9:46 PM
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05-07-2004 7:40 PM


Cynic1 quote:
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Is it your position, though, that university professors are aiding the suicide bombers, or just engaging in armchair philosophy?
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The latter.
Cynic1 quote:
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I am not arguing the content of the metaphorical comparison of the Nazis and the university professors. My argument is that you are exaggerating the similarities. Say that the two groups are alike, but do not say that there is no difference, as this is demonstrably untrue. Saying that they "are doing the exact same thing that Nazis did," would be better restated as "they are doing one of the things that Nazis did." To do otherwise is to imply that those professors are engaging in genocide, or that the Nazis simply justified murder.
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I would agree to this statement and stand amended if the portion that says "exaggerating the similarities" is rephrased, in that the persons in question are in fact justifying the murder of Jews, in this specific darkness makes them like the Nazis when the Nazis justified their murder of Jews.

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