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almeyda
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Message 63 of 117 (106511)
05-08-2004 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by jar
05-07-2004 10:38 AM


Re: Assertions
The reason i stand up for the Bible is because if i cant trust it in whatever it says then why should i trust it at all?. God says he clearly made the world in 7 days but Evolution suggests naturalism. How are they compatible?. God says man descended from Adam & Eve. Are you saying Adam & Eve were the first two people of our evolutionary heritage?. I dont see that they are compatible. More over Evolution becomes a foundation of society while Christianity is moved aside. Arent we defeating our own religion?. Im not standing for the Bible even though Evolution says something else. Evolution is theory and does not carry enough proof & authority to prove it as fact it is still relied heavily on presuppositions. Evolution being naturalistic how could there be a God if no supernaturalism exist? God then just becomes an idea made up for people who need some sort of belief. This is just not the case. The Bible is Gods revelation to man and i will stand up for all Gods words until proven otherwise. How can you call yourself a Christian if you dont believe everything God told you? More over in another thread you said the Bible isnt all God or something similar to this but the Bible is Gods only relevation to man. Unless you accept all other false religion. Jar you seem to be in some sort new age philosophy?.

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almeyda
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Message 65 of 117 (106531)
05-08-2004 4:30 AM
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05-08-2004 2:04 AM


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God tells us that his words are pure & perfect. If he didnt make the world. He has no authority over me. If lied than he could be lying about the whole book. In fact if its all a lie how can it be a true God?. I did not join this religion out of blind faith. I joined because the Bible had the evidence to back it all up. If Evolution was fact i would not believe in God. Scientist were not there when it happened. And explaining it in terms of nothing made everything is something that is very very hard to explain. Coming up with everything after this of course can be easily interpreted within evidence found. We must remember what God asked Job "Where wast thou when i laid the foundations of the earth?, declare if thou hast understanding".(Job 38:4) or Jesus "If i have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if i tell you of heavenly things?" John 3:12 . Hebrews 4:12 speaks about Gods words dividing what your thoughts & heart wants. I feel this is relevant because so many just dont want God in there lives and are happy with Evolution however i made it clear how its a matter of which ones the truth. You spoke about faith and that you choose to live without it but Evolution requires alot of faith indeed. Many say even more than Creationists.

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almeyda
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Message 67 of 117 (106538)
05-08-2004 5:09 AM
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05-08-2004 4:52 AM


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Christians who believe in Evolution have compromised their religion. Evolutionists speak out "Evolution is fact" so christians reinterpret the Bible. We shouldnt have to reinterpret the Holy Bible because of man orientated theories. If it was proven evolution occured i would not only belive evolution i would reject the Bible. How exactly does God fit in to a natural evolutionary world?. Besides an idea dreamt up for some sort of purpose?. No supernaturalism exists remember. How are they compatible?.

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almeyda
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Message 69 of 117 (106541)
05-08-2004 5:52 AM
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05-08-2004 5:19 AM


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God teaches he made the world and everything in it. He did not make the first cell for evolution to evolve. God took dust and made a man. Anything about God using evolution comes from outside extra biblical interpretations and compromise. I dont see this need because we are finding evidence for a literal genesis. Evolutionist have not disproved the evidence it just doesnt fit there view. Anyway our debate has really prolonged i can barely remember what we are arguing about.. Ohh i remember now , is evolution right or is creation right.

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almeyda
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Message 71 of 117 (106545)
05-08-2004 6:43 AM
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05-08-2004 6:04 AM


Re: ...
Im not an expert i know a bit but id rather go to the source.
Age of the Earth Topic | Answers in Genesis
Evidences for a young earth:
1.According to evolutionary theory, comets are supposed to be the same age as the solar system, about 5 billion years. Yet each time a comet orbits close to the sun, it loses so much of its material that it could not survive much longer than about 100,000 years. Many comets have typical ages of 10,000 years
2.The total energy stored in the Earth’s magnetic field has steadily decreased by a factor of 2.7 over the past 1000 years.Evolutionary theories explaining this rapid decrease, as well as how the Earth could have maintained its magnetic field for billions of years, are very complex and inadequate.
3.All naturally-occurring families of radioactive elements generate helium as they decay. If such decay took place for billions of years, as alleged by evolutionists, much helium should have found its way into the Earth’s atmosphere. The rate of loss of helium from the atmosphere into space is calculable and small. Taking that loss into account, the atmosphere today has only 0.05% of the amount of helium it would have accumulated in 5 billion years.21 This means the atmosphere is much younger than the alleged evolutionary age. A study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research shows that helium produced by radioactive decay in deep, hot rocks has not had time to escape. Though the rocks are supposed to be over one billion years old, their large helium retention suggests an age of only thousands of years
3.Evolutionary anthropologists say that the stone age lasted for at least 100,000 years, during which time the world population of Neanderthal and Cro-magnon men was roughly constant, between 1 and 10 million. All that time they were burying their dead with artefacts. By this scenario, they would have buried at least 4 billion bodies. If the evolutionary time scale is correct, buried bones should be able to last for much longer than 100,000 years, so many of the supposed 4 billion stone age skeletons should still be around (and certainly the buried artefacts). Yet only a few thousand have been found. This implies that the stone age was much shorter than evolutionists think, a few hundred years in many areas.
4.According to evolutionists, stone age man existed for 100,000 years before beginning to make written records about 4000 to 5000 years ago. Prehistoric man built megalithic monuments, made beautiful cave paintings, and kept records of lunar phases. Why would he wait a thousand centuries before using the same skills to record history? The Biblical time scale is much more likely

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almeyda
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Message 73 of 117 (106553)
05-08-2004 7:38 AM
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05-08-2004 7:29 AM


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What an evolutionary propaganda filled website. The fact that they dont acknowledge Creation as science is enough to stop me reading anymore.
"Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution" - A scientist does not need to believe nothing become everything to be a biologist. However if he believes in Evolution then yes he needs to adopt evolution.
"Our loyalties are to the species and the planet.
We speak for Earth. Our obligation to survive is
owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos,
ancient and vast, from which we spring".- Evolutionists have decided to explain the earth naturally. Therefore the evidence must fit this framework. The earth must! be old. The fossils must show evolution. Once again facts are interpreted. No supernaturalism is allowed!.
"Evolution is the GUT (GRAND UNIFYING THEORY) of biology. It is the bedrock principle of our scientific understanding of the natural laws that govern life. Furthermore, it is logically necessary for life's survival in a changing world environment. To deny this scientific principle is analogous to believing that
the earth is the center of the universe!" - There is no life in no other planets. Yes in mars yes in mars they say!. Well not this day at least theres been no life.
"The tragedy of young-earth creationism is that it takes a relatively recent and extreme view of Genesis, applies to it an unjustified scientific gloss, and then asks sincere and well-meaning seekers to swallow this whole, despite the massive discordance with decades of scientific evidence from multiple disciplines. Is it any wonder that many sadly turn away from faith concluding that they cannot believe in a God who asks for an abandonment of logic and reason?" - Evolution is not fact! The earth must be billions of yrs old. No matter what. Whatever evidence is found it must be billions of yrs. Dead bones found,limited dating methods but they still become 80billion yrs old...? Why? Because it must fit there view of an evolutionary coming of the universe. Facts no not speak for themselves
Charles Darwin - Why does he get this glory of Evolution? Many scientists wrote before Darwin on subjects of evolution,natural selection,long ages etc.
THAT WEBSITE IS FILLED WITH NOTHING BUT PROPAGANDA. TO INDOCTRINATE THE WORLD THAT EVOLUTION IS FACT,EVOLUTION IS THE ONLY SCIENCE AND EXPLANATION, CREATION IS NOT SCIENCE CREATION IS NONSENSE
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almeyda
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Message 75 of 117 (106557)
05-08-2004 7:59 AM
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05-08-2004 7:45 AM


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BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT EVOLUTIONISTS DO!...EVOLUTIONISTS WOULD NEVER ACCEPT SOMETHING FROM A CREATIONIST..THEY ALSO MADE THERE MINDS AND ARE NOT PREPARED TO CHANGE.THEY ARE BOTH SCIENCE,THEY ARE BOTH BIASED,BOTH FACTS ARE INTEPRETED BUT WHICH ONE IS TRUTH???????? Evolution is not fact! If the evidence fitted overwhelmingly why is it not fact?. Creationists have a better time at calling it fact because they can say yes just like God said. Creation is also not fact but our faith is alot less blind

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almeyda
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Message 80 of 117 (106573)
05-08-2004 10:44 AM
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05-08-2004 9:30 AM


Re: ...
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe" 1 Thessalonians 2:13

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almeyda
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Message 81 of 117 (106574)
05-08-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by jar
05-08-2004 10:08 AM


Re: Is the Bible ALL that God told us?
Ive been banned from proposing any topics.

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almeyda
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Message 82 of 117 (106575)
05-08-2004 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by mark24
05-08-2004 8:30 AM


Re: ...
If there is no record of man before 4-5000yrs where did the notion come from that they existed? Can you say evolutionary framework anyone?..It is relevant because it shows that man began showing signs of his existence coincidently when the Bible says life began. True?

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almeyda
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Message 85 of 117 (106584)
05-08-2004 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by mark24
05-08-2004 11:06 AM


Re: ...
Maybe youve missed a point here. Human bones are marked by Evolutionists at tremendous ages. Like that note said 100,000 or less. Why are they lying about the bones for? Maybe its because of an interpretation, About man evolving. Thats there view but is it consistant with the evidence? Now Creationists must have a better time as it fits there framework beautifully. Also the missing link is still missing. And judging by the "evidence" scientist discover that mans always been smart. With plenty of evidence that they were alot smarter than today,lol. Yes its true...More proof that God made us full programmed..So if you arent convinced Evolution have a flaw here than maybe at least you can acknowledge what i mean by "interpreting the facts" and using these facts to fit your framework.

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almeyda
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Message 88 of 117 (106605)
05-08-2004 1:18 PM
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05-08-2004 11:57 AM


Re: Another unsupported claim
Page not found – Evolution-Facts - Heres some information on what i mean by Evolutionists interpreting facts to fit there framwork.
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almeyda
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Message 94 of 117 (106735)
05-09-2004 4:11 AM
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05-08-2004 2:39 PM


Re: Another unsupported claim
Understood.
MARK24- The Bible is proof & also that civilisation only started 5-6,000yrs ago whereas Evolution says we evolved over time bit by bit which doesnt fit the facts.
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almeyda
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Message 97 of 117 (106751)
05-09-2004 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by mark24
05-09-2004 7:55 AM


Re: Another unsupported claim
But the Bible was the first one. The rest came after. So it means its the original. Which other book has the creation of the world? or the end of the world?. Which other book has fullfilled prophecies?. Which other book can challenge the theory of evolution like the Bible can?. Are there muslims or buddhas using science to verify there claims?. What book are creationists basing there evidence on? The only God who was there when it happened. (Isaiah 41:23, Isaiah 40:21, Isaiah 41:4, Isaiah 41:22-29, Isaiah 43:8-9, Isaiah 44:6-10, Isaiah 45:21-22, Isaiah 46:8-10, Isaiah 48:3-6) ...No im not using these passages as proof. But for those of you with Bibles you can read some interesting passages on God of the Holy Bible & his challenges to false religions. He is the first and the last. (And as for the proofs well you need to read AiG, Unfortunately most of you think its bogus because evolutionists have already proved this etc, Once you realise that they both found the same evidence just interpreted to different frameworks you will then see the evidence that supports a young earth and the Holy Bible)

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almeyda
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Message 99 of 117 (106761)
05-09-2004 9:45 AM
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05-09-2004 9:15 AM


Re: Another unsupported claim
Sumerian Creation Stories <<< I have never heard of this,What is it and where did they write all this.
the Great Hindu Creation Stories <<< This one also please tell me about it.
Yes evolutionists base it on Gods world but they explain it without God. They do not want supernaturalism because the world is a natural world. They are excluding God from the world. Yes there are christians who believe in evolution but it came from compromising their faith and they dont know the dangers to reinterpreting your foundation to your entire gospel. What about that Great Debate you had in mind?

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