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As I recall you were going to show us examples of dishonesty on the side of evolutionary biologists (perhaps geologists and physicists too). This thread seems to be stuck in listing literalists dishonesty (or off what I would like to define as the topics).
Examples of Dishonesty

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And finally, why doesn't god speak in a loud voice? If that's what it takes to convince someone, why not do it? If you truly loved someone and wanted nothing but the best and you knew that the only way to reach that person was to do something big and dramatic, wouldn't you do it?

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You know damn well that there's no "divinity" in a non-mysterious being. That's why God works in mysterious ways. It's like Darth Vader and Darth Sidius. They always covered their faces so they could be mysterious and, somehow, that makes other people have high regards for them.

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But the Darths were looking to manipulate others. Hardly a loving attitude.Why does god need "high regard"? You can only do well by others by having them think well of you? That doesn't make any sense.Besides, Yoda had high regard and he didn't cover his face.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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You must not have opened your mind enough.

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Yep...that's why it's such a good bet to make: If you convert, they were right. If you don't convert, it's your own damned fault and not because there wasn't anything to convert to.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

PecosGeorge responds to me:

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alas, he does speak in a loud voice

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Then why don't atheists hear it?

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it's just not everyone knows it is his.

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Ah...there we go: It's their own damned fault. It isn't because god isn't there. It isn't because god isn't talking. It's because the atheists are stubborn and obstinate or perhaps just too stupid to hear.How nice it is to know that there's no way to counter your argument. If the atheist converts, that means you were right. If the atheist remains an atheist, it's because the atheist is denying god rather than because god isn't there to recognize.You can see why some people don't buy your argument and laugh at the challenge.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Zachariah responds to me:

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An atheist actor from California

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Who said I was an atheist?You would do well to avoid trying to psychoanalyze me over the internet. Nobody has ever managed to get it right.Do not confuse my denial of your god with a denial of any god. I take great pains to keep my religious opinions out of the discussion because, in the end, they are irrelevant. Things are true because they are, not because I do or do not believe in god.Do not confuse my comprehension of atheist's arguments and justifications for their position with agreement. I speak Spanish...does that mean I'm a Spaniard? Mexican?Ask the average Jewish person in the United States how much about Christian theology he might know. Does that mean he's actually a Christian or just that he knows about Christian theology?

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This isn't a thread that I wish to discuss disbelief in

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Unwilling to put your own philosophy on the line, eh? How brave of you to taunt others while safely keeping away from the challenge yourself.

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And I'm not being abnoxious or anything else and I never called anyone lazy. If you wish to speak for me then it should be in a believing way (christian). And others already know how I feel about those who say they tried it. I say if you have an open mind and want to find God then he will come to you.

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You realize you just contradicted yourself.How wonderful that your conclusion cannot be denied...not even by direct contradiction. If an atheist converts, you were right. If the atheist remains convinced there is no god, it's because the atheist was being stubborn and unwilling to be "open to the truth."There's a very simple question: Is there any result of this little "experiment" of yours that would have you conclude that maybe, just maybe, there is no god? That the atheist was being open minded and the reason he didn't hear god is that there wasn't any god to hear?If not, then what is the point of this "challenge" of yours?

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As for the others asking me to give up god for a month. You make me laugh. You think I would DARE speak against my LORD.

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If you had any integrity, you would. You have the audacity to insist that someone else should do what you would not?If you're unwilling to put your own opinions up for grabs, why should anybody else?Fine...don't give up on god...just give up on this Christian conception of god you have. For a month, and with an open mind, read the Koran, submit yourself to the will of Allah, and listen for his voice.

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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Hi Zac,Your speech is far too restrictive (a reflect of your vision?). This is certainly due to your geographic context. From here, Xtian creaionists are very rare but we have much more shy muslim creationists.Should I consider to transpose your "experiment" here but with the Qu'ran? In case this return your expected result (conversion) how will you feel if I choose Islam?In spit that I've allready "experimented" a light version of your thing with any obvious real succes, please tease me a bit more before wasting precious study time of mine.
Exam's dead line on coming.Have a nice day,Denesha

I agree, but your response brings one question to mind: am I the only one who picked up on the fact that the suggested means of conversion is brainwashing?

Good point, Cynic1. Do you think this method will work even better if the subject spends a week in a sensory deprivation tank, and then reads the Gospel of John?

While this challenge is of noble thought it is missing some very important factors.God absolutly speaks in a loud voice. Once you feel his presence you will feel like you are plugged into an electric socket.Too feel the Lord and know the truth requires the simplest hardest thing to do.You must repent in the name of Jesus, and openly ask him into your heart. It is impossible to stop all sin, just try it and you'll find out, but it is the trying that counts. The moment you see yourself sinning, stop and ask for forgiveness from him.Everyone here know the "Our father"? You must forgive all your enemies to be forgiven.Just as if we fill our bodies with junk and drugs and bad food, we cannot be healthy, we cannot be with God if we are sinning.I don't care what religion you ever went to, its not about religion, its about God and you. You can have a personal relationship with him, its your right to have one, and you shouldn't let the rest of the world get in your way.The word Truth will take on a whole new meaning.Now in this order, try the following. It must be done with all of your heart.Openly ask Jesus to come into your heart. (Be open hearted) ( I also find it helpful if you do this in a public place, like a church that you feel comfortable in, not all churches are worthy, but it is not neccesary.)
Repent from all your sins, and stop sinning for a couple of weeks.
Pray the "Our father" and mean it. Really forgive the people who sinned against you. Pray this in a quiet place, on your knees, and ask the father to speak to you. Listen very carefully to the thoughts in your head.
Do all of this in Jesus's name.You have studied and preached science your whole life. I think its worth your time to spend a few weeks looking for God(not to say you haven't already, but maybe you were miss guided).I will pray that if you truely follow this challenge (its God's challenge, not mine) you will come to know the Lord, that you will be filled with the Holy Spirit, and you will know the Truth.
I pray this in Jesus's name.I recommened to read Acts, and John(especially John 14). You can read it here:
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.
Try the NIV version, as I find it to be very good.
Also ask God to show you his word when reading it.
Try to understand the Holy Spirit. Jesus sent him here for us, and it is the word of God, so that we may believe, but it takes a leap of faith to get to know him.

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Too feel the Lord and know the truth requires the simplest hardest thing to do.

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You must repent in the name of Jesus, and openly ask him into your heart.

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Again, the absolute arrogance and obnoxiousness to assume that atheists haven't done this.For the umpteenth time: The vast majority of atheists were raised by those who believed. Most atheists were at one time theists themselves who believed with all their heart.But later they came to realize that that "loud voice" was just them making themselves hear it, not because there was anything there to hear.What you must come to realize is that atheists are just as sincere as you are. If you wish to have your religious beliefs respected, then you had better show other people the same respect.

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You have studied and preached science your whole life. I think its worth your time to spend a few weeks looking for God(not to say you haven't already, but maybe you were miss guided).

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See, you prove my point. You have absolutely no respect for someone who contradicts you. Where does this cockiness come from? Why are you incapable of considering the possibility that atheists have done everything you would request of them with no recalcitrance and still came out the other end with the opinion there is no god?How convenient of you to be incapable of being shown wrong. If an atheist went through your little "test" and still retained his atheism, it's because he was "miss guided" [sic].

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Try the NIV version, as I find it to be very good.

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You mean the version where they deliberately mistranslated the text in order to remove contradictions and problematic passages?Why would you suggest someone read a piece of propaganda?

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WWJD? JWRTFM!

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not to say you haven't already, but maybe you were miss guided

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I say all that I have said with the utmost respect and Love. I mentioned that you may have been through it, but for some reason, you choose not to believe, that is fine.The problem comes when people such as yourself start preaching a religion that takes far more faith than God. I came from that arena, I now know the Truth in my heart, and can only speak for myself.Were you a born again christian? What religion did you subscribe too? There are so many reasons why you would feel that the voice in your head was fake. The Devil can make you feel that way too. I will never know the reason, or do I want to.I am not religious at all, I just Love my God and he Loves me right back. He has made the Truth known to me, and I have the right to say so. Its America.Why is it that you get so angry when someone trys to share the truth with you? Is it that much of a problem for you?Have you truely tried to do the things Jesus asks of us? Don't answer me, just tell Jesus.

The entire TOE is propaganda, but you read about it?I also never assumed anything, but by your defensive reaction, I wonder.
Just my opinion.Being raised by "thiests" means nothing to me.

And this has what to do with the thread's topic?

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