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Is there a contradiction between Deuteronomy and Jonah?

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jt
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Message 12 of 65 (106830)
05-09-2004 6:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 9 by PaulK
05-09-2004 4:06 PM

{edited in}Note: this might be redundant, I posted it then saw there was already a response.{/edited in}
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According to the book of Jonah, Jonah prophesised that Nineveh would be overthrown within 40 days.
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This was not a prohesy, this was a threat. The NIV translation of Jonah 4:6 says:
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...and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened (emphasis mine)
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The reason God sent Jonah to Ninevah was to tell them they were sinning, and that if they didn't repent they'd be in trouble.
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Jonah 4:11 says:
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...Ninevah has more than 120,000 people who cannot tell their right hand from there left...
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Jonah was sent to Ninevah to tell them what was right and wrong. The citizens of Ninevah were in such moral confusion they did not know "their right hand from their left."
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Jeremiah 18: 5-10 is also talking about a threat, not a prophesy. The purpose of a threat would be to let people know the severity of their sin and its consequences.
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This message has been edited by JT, 05-09-2004 05:33 PM
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Benoit Mandelbrot is not a type of wine.
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jt
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05-09-2004 8:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 13 by Brian
05-09-2004 6:43 PM

Brian said:
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This is incorrect. (IMO)
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I checked some commentaries, and they agree with you that the reference is to children. I stand corrected.
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Nineveh had 120 000 children, which was untrue of course, it was never inhabited by so many people.
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Sounds interesting, can you back this up?
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PaulK says:
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Both of these contradict your argument that God's message of destruction was in any way conditional.
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The NIV translation of Jonah 4:10 says:
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...and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened (emphasis mine)
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To threaten is defined by m-w online as "to announce as intended or possible ."
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When workers threaten a strike (the dictionary's example), is that a promise that they are going to strike? No, it is threat used to get the attention of management, and if the mannagement responds, the workers have no reason to strike. This is clearly conditional.
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Premise 1: God sends a prophecy
Premise 2: God changes his mind and the prophecy does not come to pass
Premise 3: Deuteronomy 18:22 : If the prophecy does not come to pass then God did not sent it
Conclusion God did not send the prophecy.
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I disagree with premise 1 in this case. God said if you don't start behaving, I'm going to punish you. This is a conditional prophecy, or a threat. If x happens, so will y. If x doesn't happen, neither will y.
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Benoit Mandelbrot is not a type of wine.
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